Why is this not making the news???

Big Slick wrote:Has anyone heard about this? I don't know the full ramifications this will have but it seems like a big deal. It seems like the start of Succession talk. Isn't this exactly what started the first civil war - states rights? This has flown under the radar. I live in Texas and haven't heard much about it.

April 9, 2009

AUSTIN – Gov. Rick Perry today joined state Rep. Brandon Creighton and sponsors of House Concurrent Resolution (HCR) 50 in support of states’ rights under the 10th Amendment to the U.S. Constitution.

“I believe that our federal government has become oppressive in its size, its intrusion into the lives of our citizens, and its interference with the affairs of our state,” Gov. Perry said. “That is why I am here today to express my unwavering support for efforts all across our country to reaffirm the states’ rights affirmed by the Tenth Amendment to the U.S. Constitution. I believe that returning to the letter and spirit of the U.S. Constitution and its essential 10th Amendment will free our state from undue regulations, and ultimately strengthen our Union.”

A number of recent federal proposals are not within the scope of the federal government’s constitutionally designated powers and impede the states’ right to govern themselves. HCR 50 affirms that Texas claims sovereignty under the 10th Amendment over all powers not otherwise granted to the federal government.

It also designates that all compulsory federal legislation that requires states to comply under threat of civil or criminal penalties, or that requires states to pass legislation or lose federal funding, be prohibited or repealed.

HCR 50 is authored by Representatives Brandon Creighton, Leo Berman, Bryan Hughes, Dan Gattis and Ryan Guillen.

To view the full text of the resolution, please visit:
http://www.capitol.state.tx.us/tlodocs/81R/billtext/html/HC00050I.htm.

Big Slick wrote:Has anyone heard about this? I don't know the full ramifications this will have but it seems like a big deal. It seems like the start of Succession talk. Isn't this exactly what started the first civil war - states rights? This has flown under the radar. I live in Texas and haven't heard much about it.

April 9, 2009

AUSTIN – Gov. Rick Perry today joined state Rep. Brandon Creighton and sponsors of House Concurrent Resolution (HCR) 50 in support of states’ rights under the 10th Amendment to the U.S. Constitution.

“I believe that our federal government has become oppressive in its size, its intrusion into the lives of our citizens, and its interference with the affairs of our state,” Gov. Perry said. “That is why I am here today to express my unwavering support for efforts all across our country to reaffirm the states’ rights affirmed by the Tenth Amendment to the U.S. Constitution. I believe that returning to the letter and spirit of the U.S. Constitution and its essential 10th Amendment will free our state from undue regulations, and ultimately strengthen our Union.”

A number of recent federal proposals are not within the scope of the federal government’s constitutionally designated powers and impede the states’ right to govern themselves. HCR 50 affirms that Texas claims sovereignty under the 10th Amendment over all powers not otherwise granted to the federal government.

It also designates that all compulsory federal legislation that requires states to comply under threat of civil or criminal penalties, or that requires states to pass legislation or lose federal funding, be prohibited or repealed.

HCR 50 is authored by Representatives Brandon Creighton, Leo Berman, Bryan Hughes, Dan Gattis and Ryan Guillen.

To view the full text of the resolution, please visit:
http://www.capitol.state.tx.us/tlodocs/81R/billtext/html/HC00050I.htm.

PaulM wrote:As I understand the beginnings of the American Civil War... this is, pretty much, what it was all about. The issue of slavery was added later by the Federals as a ploy to deter England & France from recognizing the Confederacy (Emancipation Proclamation)... it worked & the rest was history. It also explains why nobody from the Confederate government or any state that seceded was charged with treason after the war... it would have opened up a constitutional debate.

9th Amendment: The enumeration in the Constitution, of certain rights, shall not be construed to deny or disparage others retained by the people.
10th Amendment: The powers not delegated to the United States by the Constitution, nor prohibited by it to the States, are reserved to the States respectively, or to the people.

Good luck to Texas and New Hampshire... I would expect this to be settled in the Supreme Court, rather than on the field of battle, this time out.

Don't you go spoilin' it fer us! We gonna git up and git er done this time.!

CarolinaHound wrote:

Don't you go spoilin' it fer us! We gonna git up and git er done this time.!

HotParadox wrote:

CarolinaHound wrote:

Don't you go spoilin' it fer us! We gonna git up and git er done this time.!

CarolinaHound wrote:

HotParadox wrote:

CarolinaHound wrote:

Don't you go spoilin' it fer us! We gonna git up and git er done this time.!

yup

HotParadox wrote:oh, i love that one. stewie is steve when steve was little.

HotParadox wrote:paul, the guy in the beck interview said it was now more than twenty states involved! assuming he's correct, that's a lot of fighting that the supreme court will be hearing and it would behoove the court to listen and listen well.

PaulM wrote:

HotParadox wrote:paul, the guy in the beck interview said it was now more than twenty states involved! assuming he's correct, that's a lot of fighting that the supreme court will be hearing and it would behoove the court to listen and listen well.

Absolutely. I tried to find a list of the states, but couldn't. Would you happen to know which states are doing this?

HotParadox wrote:so far, i will not be a foreigner like the rest of the citizens of other new england states. i will proudly wave the red, white and blue. so far.

i'm old-fashioned. i'd rather just piss and moan about it and sit on my ass and do nothing, except appreciate this great nation of ours, flaws and all, and have faith that we're going to be just fine . fingers crossed.

Old Timer wrote:

HotParadox wrote:so far, i will not be a foreigner like the rest of the citizens of other new england states. i will proudly wave the red, white and blue. so far.

i'm old-fashioned. i'd rather just piss and moan about it and sit on my ass and do nothing, except appreciate this great nation of ours, flaws and all, and have faith that we're going to be just fine . fingers crossed.

I have sent this to all on my e/m list. I have also written to my governor and sent it to him as well. Why not join in and do the same. If you don't do something then you have no right to complain do you. As history can atest to, there is no louder noise on this planet than the voice of the people when raised in unison for the common good of all. It looks like the time is coming and the line in the sand is being drawn. On which side will you stand on.

http://supportbordercontrols.blogspot.com/2009/02/american-states-want-to-secede-from.html

CarolinaHound wrote:I didn't vote anyone into office so I got all the right in the world to complain about the mess the rest of you have created.

HotParadox wrote:

Old Timer wrote:

HotParadox wrote:so far, i will not be a foreigner like the rest of the citizens of other new england states. i will proudly wave the red, white and blue. so far.

i'm old-fashioned. i'd rather just piss and moan about it and sit on my ass and do nothing, except appreciate this great nation of ours, flaws and all, and have faith that we're going to be just fine . fingers crossed.

I have sent this to all on my e/m list. I have also written to my governor and sent it to him as well. Why not join in and do the same. If you don't do something then you have no right to complain do you. As history can atest to, there is no louder noise on this planet than the voice of the people when raised in unison for the common good of all. It looks like the time is coming and the line in the sand is being drawn. On which side will you stand on.

http://supportbordercontrols.blogspot.com/2009/02/american-states-want-to-secede-from.html

'cuz like recycling and global warming, i'm leaving it to the next generation to worry about:namely my kids. it's about time they did something for me and, in the meantime, i'm not complaining about jack.

i'll stand on the side directly behind my kids, pushing them in the right direction.

Old Timer wrote:

HotParadox wrote:

Old Timer wrote:

HotParadox wrote:so far, i will not be a foreigner like the rest of the citizens of other new england states. i will proudly wave the red, white and blue. so far.

i'm old-fashioned. i'd rather just piss and moan about it and sit on my ass and do nothing, except appreciate this great nation of ours, flaws and all, and have faith that we're going to be just fine . fingers crossed.

I have sent this to all on my e/m list. I have also written to my governor and sent it to him as well. Why not join in and do the same. If you don't do something then you have no right to complain do you. As history can atest to, there is no louder noise on this planet than the voice of the people when raised in unison for the common good of all. It looks like the time is coming and the line in the sand is being drawn. On which side will you stand on.

http://supportbordercontrols.blogspot.com/2009/02/american-states-want-to-secede-from.html

'cuz like recycling and global warming, i'm leaving it to the next generation to worry about:namely my kids. it's about time they did something for me and, in the meantime, i'm not complaining about jack.

i'll stand on the side directly behind my kids, pushing them in the right direction.

Well my dear HP I will be willing to bet a nice and brand new shiny nickle that if things don't go the way you think they should, that you will not be on the sidelines but right out in front with the rest of us bitching like all get out. The very nature of your species ( female ) says ya will.

HotParadox wrote:yup, i know.......but it's nice to see the kids get all worked up and doing this. don't forget, my oldest son, Guy, was a front guy in the New England Ron Paul movement, and still is. the whole family helped in the campaign, but he was in there knee deep, every day for well over a year.

Old Timer wrote:To get back to the original thought of this thread for a second. What are your thoughts on where this country is going with all that is going on today. I personally think that in sthe next year to a year and a half we will see some changes take place both here and in the world that have been coming for a long time.

HotParadox wrote:

Old Timer wrote:To get back to the original thought of this thread for a second. What are your thoughts on where this country is going with all that is going on today. I personally think that in sthe next year to a year and a half we will see some changes take place both here and in the world that have been coming for a long time.

i think you hit the nail on the head.

so did biden when he said that bo will be faced with some serious shiz
in the first 6 months of office. what did he mean with that curious
statement, huh???
*bailouts? check (we're in that hell, aren't we)
*revolution? check (think teaparty)
*terrorist attacks.............................? (well we are
arrogant sobs. we're not??? that's what the world thinks,
and if some didn't, they do now cuz our prez said so. he may as well
have just thrown in that we're also weak bastards, too... ripe for a whippin')

PaulM wrote:What is of interest also is what reaction the Federal gov might have to a state that asserts it's 10th amendment rights?

Theophilus wrote: The media is completely inept. They are not properly telling the story of how angry people in this country are, and the reasons why.

PaulM wrote:

HotParadox wrote:

Old Timer wrote:To get back to the original thought of this thread for a second. What are your thoughts on where this country is going with all that is going on today. I personally think that in sthe next year to a year and a half we will see some changes take place both here and in the world that have been coming for a long time.

i think you hit the nail on the head.

so did biden when he said that bo will be faced with some serious shiz
in the first 6 months of office. what did he mean with that curious
statement, huh???
*bailouts? check (we're in that hell, aren't we)
*revolution? check (think teaparty)
*terrorist attacks.............................? (well we are
arrogant sobs. we're not??? that's what the world thinks,
and if some didn't, they do now cuz our prez said so. he may as well
have just thrown in that we're also weak bastards, too... ripe for a whippin')

The Tea Parties were a start. Not much media coverage, but they were a start. Terrorist attacks? You betcha. They'll happen. Just as sure as apples are green. Don't know when or where... but they'll happen.

The "states rights" movement appears to show the most promise of raising more than a few eye-brows in Washington. That will come when a state declares a Federal regulation/law/ruling/Executive Order invalid. IF the state has the fortitude to stick to their position and doesn't permit itself to be bought off.
It's not to the point of secession... yet, just assertion and that may be all that is needed.

What is of interest also is what reaction the Federal gov might have to a state that asserts it's 10th amendment rights?

HotParadox wrote:

PaulM wrote:

HotParadox wrote:

Old Timer wrote:To get back to the original thought of this thread for a second. What are your thoughts on where this country is going with all that is going on today. I personally think that in sthe next year to a year and a half we will see some changes take place both here and in the world that have been coming for a long time.

i think you hit the nail on the head.

so did biden when he said that bo will be faced with some serious shiz
in the first 6 months of office. what did he mean with that curious
statement, huh???
*bailouts? check (we're in that hell, aren't we)
*revolution? check (think teaparty)
*terrorist attacks.............................? (well we are
arrogant sobs. we're not??? that's what the world thinks,
and if some didn't, they do now cuz our prez said so. he may as well
have just thrown in that we're also weak bastards, too... ripe for a whippin')

The Tea Parties were a start. Not much media coverage, but they were a start. Terrorist attacks? You betcha. They'll happen. Just as sure as apples are green. Don't know when or where... but they'll happen.

The "states rights" movement appears to show the most promise of raising more than a few eye-brows in Washington. That will come when a state declares a Federal regulation/law/ruling/Executive Order invalid. IF the state has the fortitude to stick to their position and doesn't permit itself to be bought off.
It's not to the point of secession... yet, just assertion and that may be all that is needed.

What is of interest also is what reaction the Federal gov might have to a state that asserts it's 10th amendment rights?

paul, the media is an ass. they chose to ignore the tea parties, to
mock the tea parties with the vulgar phrase teabagging, and to depict the millions of
american citizens who are FED UP as fringe lunatics. they can ignore, mock and depict for
only so long. revolution is in the air and that air is made up of young
kids/voters like my own who will not let cnn thwart their mission: to
bring this great country of ours back to it's origins, namely the frame makers
and the constitution.