CBO Report means nothing to Obama... Guess I was right.
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CBO Report means nothing to Obama... Guess I was right.
A few days ago, the Congressional Budget Office released a report that informed the Obama administration and the American people, that Obama's proposed budget will produce $9.3 trillion worth debt over 2010-2019, which is $2.3 trillion worse than the administration predicted. That means the deficit under Obama's policies would never go below 4% of the size of the economy, which even liberal economists agree is unsustainable.
To those of you that don't understand exactly what that means, let me explain.
If our deficit goes above 4% of our GDP (the amount of money America generates, or makes, selling goods and services to the world) that means America can't make enough money to pay off that debt. That means that no matter how hard we try, the national debt can never be lowered, because we don't have enough to cover the interest on that debt.
Understand, that this news is not coming from some conservative economist, but from the administrations very own number crunchers.
Based on those deficit figures, this leaves Obama and the democrats in congress only two choices... They would have to abandon many of the social programs Obama said he will push through right away, such as universal health care, expanded education programs such as his pre-school plan, and his Cap & Trade renewable energy plan. The other choice is to significantly raise taxes on EVERYONE in America, from the poor to the rich, from small business to large corperations... Something that will have a devastating effect on the economy, bringing huge inflation and job lay-offs.
I asked on another thread, which avenue everyone thought he would take. I predicted he would not back off his socialist agenda, and it appears I was right. Here's what the White House released today:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=vIPUrZuLlCQ
Now check out this report aired last week by ABC News, that addresses one of the items on Obama's domestic agenda:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-K93hZbWB_I
To those of you that don't understand exactly what that means, let me explain.
If our deficit goes above 4% of our GDP (the amount of money America generates, or makes, selling goods and services to the world) that means America can't make enough money to pay off that debt. That means that no matter how hard we try, the national debt can never be lowered, because we don't have enough to cover the interest on that debt.
Understand, that this news is not coming from some conservative economist, but from the administrations very own number crunchers.
Based on those deficit figures, this leaves Obama and the democrats in congress only two choices... They would have to abandon many of the social programs Obama said he will push through right away, such as universal health care, expanded education programs such as his pre-school plan, and his Cap & Trade renewable energy plan. The other choice is to significantly raise taxes on EVERYONE in America, from the poor to the rich, from small business to large corperations... Something that will have a devastating effect on the economy, bringing huge inflation and job lay-offs.
I asked on another thread, which avenue everyone thought he would take. I predicted he would not back off his socialist agenda, and it appears I was right. Here's what the White House released today:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=vIPUrZuLlCQ
Now check out this report aired last week by ABC News, that addresses one of the items on Obama's domestic agenda:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-K93hZbWB_I
Grim17-
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Now the big question... Will congress simply "rubber-stamp" this into effect or will they actually trim it down?
OR... will they simply not read it and include more earmarks and special projects?
OR... will they simply not read it and include more earmarks and special projects?
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The thing that is upsetting to me is how Obama acts as if there is not a deficit. I don't know how he thinks he can cut the deficit in half. When you are spending money on what I would classify as unneeded spending. Such as this pre-school for kids. Completely unnecessary for the government to start a program like this.
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Theophilus wrote:The thing that is upsetting to me is how Obama acts as if there is not a deficit. I don't know how he thinks he can cut the deficit in half. When you are spending money on what I would classify as unneeded spending. Such as this pre-school for kids. Completely unnecessary for the government to start a program like this.
Well when you put the stock boy in the office of the president as this country has done that is what happens. Here is an idea. Why not let all of those that voted for obama pay for all of the BS things he is doing to this country. How long do ypu think they would leave him in office then.
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Old Timer wrote:Theophilus wrote:The thing that is upsetting to me is how Obama acts as if there is not a deficit. I don't know how he thinks he can cut the deficit in half. When you are spending money on what I would classify as unneeded spending. Such as this pre-school for kids. Completely unnecessary for the government to start a program like this.
Well when you put the stock boy in the office of the president as this country has done that is what happens. Here is an idea. Why not let all of those that voted for obama pay for all of the BS things he is doing to this country. How long do ypu think they would leave him in office then.
How much debt was created by bushco? All I am saying is now is not the time for unneeded spending. Also what, you think McCain would not spend just as much money. I am sure he would of. Though this all for nothing. It is too late to save the dollar. So this petty arguing is rather pointless. I really don't know what is going to happen for sure. Though I feel strongly the dollar is doomed. Once that happens we wont be talking about the latest government spending program. We will be wondering were to get our next meal from.
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Theophilus wrote:Old Timer wrote:Theophilus wrote:The thing that is upsetting to me is how Obama acts as if there is not a deficit. I don't know how he thinks he can cut the deficit in half. When you are spending money on what I would classify as unneeded spending. Such as this pre-school for kids. Completely unnecessary for the government to start a program like this.
Well when you put the stock boy in the office of the president as this country has done that is what happens. Here is an idea. Why not let all of those that voted for obama pay for all of the BS things he is doing to this country. How long do ypu think they would leave him in office then.
How much debt was created by bushco? All I am saying is now is not the time for unneeded spending. Also what, you think McCain would not spend just as much money. I am sure he would of. Though this all for nothing. It is too late to save the dollar. So this petty arguing is rather pointless. I really don't know what is going to happen for sure. Though I feel strongly the dollar is doomed. Once that happens we wont be talking about the latest government spending program. We will be wondering were to get our next meal from.
I wanted to add that I should get over blaming bushco. We have a new set of problems, and I am not comfortable at all these huge spending bills. Of course I knew that when the democrats got in, that there would be spending. I was not expecting spending bills this enormous. I am concerned for our dollar.
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Theophilus wrote:Theophilus wrote:Old Timer wrote:Theophilus wrote:The thing that is upsetting to me is how Obama acts as if there is not a deficit. I don't know how he thinks he can cut the deficit in half. When you are spending money on what I would classify as unneeded spending. Such as this pre-school for kids. Completely unnecessary for the government to start a program like this.
Well when you put the stock boy in the office of the president as this country has done that is what happens. Here is an idea. Why not let all of those that voted for obama pay for all of the BS things he is doing to this country. How long do ypu think they would leave him in office then.
How much debt was created by bushco? All I am saying is now is not the time for unneeded spending. Also what, you think McCain would not spend just as much money. I am sure he would of. Though this all for nothing. It is too late to save the dollar. So this petty arguing is rather pointless. I really don't know what is going to happen for sure. Though I feel strongly the dollar is doomed. Once that happens we wont be talking about the latest government spending program. We will be wondering were to get our next meal from.
I wanted to add that I should get over blaming bushco. We have a new set of problems, and I am not comfortable at all these huge spending bills. Of course I knew that when the democrats got in, that there would be spending. I was not expecting spending bills this enormous. I am concerned for our dollar.
I guess that I am just concerned about the very well-being of our country
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I am too. If the dollar goes, so goes our country. It is already getting ugly.
*sigh*
*sigh*
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Theophilus wrote:I am too. If the dollar goes, so goes our country. It is already getting ugly.
*sigh*
It looks like if obama has his way it will definately get a lot worse. I wonder just how long the American people will let it go on?
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Old Timer wrote:I wonder just how long the American people will let it go on?
As long as the main stream media refuses to sound the alarm, I would say "until it's too late".
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UPDATE:
Alabama governor Haley Barbour gives the GOP response to Obama's weekly address.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=uoKnXrRxAmo
Alabama governor Haley Barbour gives the GOP response to Obama's weekly address.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=uoKnXrRxAmo
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hey grim... you know the media's not going anywhere near this. so in light of that, what's the most radical thing you can think of that each individual can do to prevent this train wreck from happening?Grim17 wrote:Old Timer wrote:I wonder just how long the American people will let it go on?
As long as the main stream media refuses to sound the alarm, I would say "until it's too late".
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Grim17 wrote:UPDATE:
Alabama governor Haley Barbour gives the GOP response to Obama's weekly address.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=uoKnXrRxAmo
haley barbour is the mississippi governor
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par84forme wrote:haley barbour is the mississippi governor
My bad
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Susan aka CV wrote:hey grim... you know the media's not going anywhere near this. so in light of that, what's the most radical thing you can think of that each individual can do to prevent this train wreck from happening?
CV
I don't think there is anything we can do at this point CV. Maybe join up with the tea party protests, or get people in your area to call their Congressional Representatives.
I do suggest however, that no matter what party affiliation you all identify with, you had better vote republican in the 2010 so that the democrats can't continue to rubber stamp everything Obama does.
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Grim17 wrote:par84forme wrote:haley barbour is the mississippi governor
My bad
Haley has an impressive resume.
He founded a lobbying firm. He was also chairman of the RNC during the 90s when the Republicans won both houses of Congress.
He will also be known as the governor of Mississippi during the aftermath of the worst natural disasters ever to hit the Gulf Coast ( Katrina )
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it's a waste of time here - mine are all democrats.Grim17 wrote:Susan aka CV wrote:hey grim... you know the media's not going anywhere near this. so in light of that, what's the most radical thing you can think of that each individual can do to prevent this train wreck from happening?
CV
I don't think there is anything we can do at this point CV. Maybe join up with the tea party protests, or get people in your area to call their Congressional Representatives.
times like this are when i miss the 'tough guy grim' - back before you chilled out and became such a freakin nice guy!! can i talk to him for a minute please? lol
on this, you have my SOLEMN PROMISE - Dodd has to go.I do suggest however, that no matter what party affiliation you all identify with, you had better vote republican in the 2010 so that the democrats can't continue to rubber stamp everything Obama does.
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Susan aka CV wrote:times like this are when i miss the 'tough guy grim' - back before you chilled out and became such a freakin nice guy!! can i talk to him for a minute please? lol
I'm still the same guy CV. You confuse my battles with idiots like dchristie, where I was not debating, but in a fricken war of words with a terrorist loving kook, with actual political debates. I'm not now, nor have I ever been a radical. I only flew off the handle and went on rants, when liberals would resort to lies and deceptions to attack Bush or conservatives. My argument was only with those who re-wrote history, or propagated lies for political purposes. On this forum, even when I get into a severe disagreement with someone, I have no need to escalate things to the level I did with dchristie and his crew at scams, because people here can disagree without slinging personal insults.
The one exception was Steve (YWFT). When I criticized him for using very questionable sources to back his beliefs, he couldn't take the heat and apparently snapped. He attacked not only me, but others, and was banned for a week so he could cool off. Based on the fact he hasn't returned, I guess that means he just wasn't cut out for civil debate.
So CV, I'm sorry to disappoint you, but I won't suggest that people riot in the streets or something like that. The only thing I can suggest, is that people find the most powerful way they can (legal though), to get the media and those in Washington to start paying attention to what we want.
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don't get me wrong, grim... i adore this gentler side of you very much! i just believe all of this crap that's goin' on is deserving of one of your 'rants' (as you call it). your so diplomatic about it all. i don't know how - or why - you stay so calm...Grim17 wrote:Susan aka CV wrote:times like this are when i miss the 'tough guy grim' - back before you chilled out and became such a freakin nice guy!! can i talk to him for a minute please? lol
I'm still the same guy CV. You confuse my battles with idiots like dchristie, where I was not debating, but in a fricken war of words with a terrorist loving kook, with actual political debates. I'm not now, nor have I ever been a radical. I only flew off the handle and went on rants, when liberals would resort to lies and deceptions to attack Bush or conservatives. My argument was only with those who re-wrote history, or propagated lies for political purposes. On this forum, even when I get into a severe disagreement with someone, I have no need to escalate things to the level I did with dchristie and his crew at scams, because people here can disagree without slinging personal insults.
no comment...The one exception was Steve (YWFT). When I criticized him for using very questionable sources to back his beliefs, he couldn't take the heat and apparently snapped. He attacked not only me, but others, and was banned for a week so he could cool off. Based on the fact he hasn't returned, I guess that means he just wasn't cut out for civil debate.
oh come on, grim. the media is a bunch of pussies that wouldn't be confrontational about this if their life depended on it... and washington doesn't listen to 'nice'. don't you have a little bit of aggression bottled up about all this bs that you'd like to get rid of?? PLEEEEZZZZSo CV, I'm sorry to disappoint you, but I won't suggest that people riot in the streets or something like that. The only thing I can suggest, is that people find the most powerful way they can (legal though), to get the media and those in Washington to start paying attention to what we want.
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