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Post by HotParadox on Tue Jul 28, 2009 9:02 am

It's official, kids! In fact, ".... it appears Congress has moved on and has accepted Obama's island birthplace. The U.S. House on Monday unanimously approved a resolution recognizing and celebrating the 50th anniversary of Hawaii becoming the 50th state. A clause was included that reads: 'Whereas the 44th President of the United States, Barack Obama, was born in Hawaii on August 4, 1961.' "
I hope this dies. He's not going anywhere for at least 4 more, so what's the point of spending more of our money trying to prove something that can't/won't be proven?

Hawaii again declares Obama birth certificate real

By JAYMES SONG, Associated Press Writer Jaymes Song, Associated Press Writer – Tue Jul 28, 1:54 am ET

HONOLULU – State officials in Hawaii on Monday said they have once again checked and confirmed that President Barack Obama was born in Hawaii and is a natural-born American citizen, and therefore meets a key constitutional requirement for being president.

They hoped to stem a recent surge in the number of inquiries about Obama's birthplace.

"I ... have seen the original vital records maintained on file by the Hawaii State Department of Health verifying Barack Hussein Obama was born in Hawaii and is a natural-born American citizen," Health Director Dr. Chiyome Fukino said in a brief statement. "I have nothing further to add to this statement or my original statement issued in October 2008 over eight months ago."

So-called "birthers" — who claim Obama is ineligible to be president because, they argue, he was actually born outside the United States — have grown more vocal recently on blogs and television news shows.

Fukino issued a similar press release Oct. 31, but was prompted to speak out again because of the renewed attention on Obama's beginnings. Hawaii's Health Department has been flooded in recent weeks with questions from individuals and several national TV news networks asking for proof that Obama was indeed born in Hawaii.

"They just keep asking over and over and over again," Health Department spokeswoman Janice Okubo said.

The Constitution states that a person must be a "natural-born citizen" to be eligible for the presidency. Birthers contend that Obama's birth certificate is a fake, and many say he was actually born in Kenya, his father's homeland. They've challenged his citizenship in court.

One widely circulated YouTube clip of a town hall meeting showed a Republican congressman getting booed for saying Obama is a citizen. Talk show host Rush Limbaugh and CNN's Lou Dobbs have also raised the issue, and 10 Republican members of Congress co-sponsored a bill that would require future presidential candidates to provide a copy of their original birth certificate.

However, it appears Congress has moved on and has accepted Obama's island birthplace. The U.S. House on Monday unanimously approved a resolution recognizing and celebrating the 50th anniversary of Hawaii becoming the 50th state. A clause was included that reads: "Whereas the 44th President of the United States, Barack Obama, was born in Hawaii on August 4, 1961."

State law bars the release of a certified birth certificate to anyone who does not have a tangible interest.

However, Obama's birth certificate along with birth notices from the two Honolulu newspapers were brought forward even before he took office. But that's done nothing to shake the belief by many Obama critics that the president was born abroad.

http://news.yahoo.com/s/ap/20090728/ap_on_re_us/us_obama_birth_certificate

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Post by PaulM on Tue Jul 28, 2009 2:33 pm

It absolutely doesn't matter what the state of Hawaii says... nor would it matter if Obama, his mother, father, aunts, uncles and all others in between produced document after document & sworn statement after sworn statement or even film footage of the birth... the "not-born-in-America" conspiricists would not accept it.

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Post by Kazza on Tue Jul 28, 2009 6:12 pm

Yep. I think those that still question whether or not we've been to the moon have shown that no amount of evidence is enough for someone who already knows the "truth".
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Post by Old Timer on Tue Jul 28, 2009 9:36 pm

Yes they are saying it is real. But what they are not and have not said is which one of the two certificates o live birth does he have. One is for those born there and contains all of the necessary information as is required in all 50 states for a natural born citizen and is entirely different from the other one they use ( such as the one he has shown to be his) for those not a natural born citizen. If those of you that still say his is the right one then why don't you check it out for yourself. I did and the one he shows is not for a natural born citizen.

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Post by Old Timer on Tue Jul 28, 2009 9:38 pm

HotParadox wrote:It's official, kids! In fact, ".... it appears Congress has moved on and has accepted Obama's island birthplace. The U.S. House on Monday unanimously approved a resolution recognizing and celebrating the 50th anniversary of Hawaii becoming the 50th state. A clause was included that reads: 'Whereas the 44th President of the United States, Barack Obama, was born in Hawaii on August 4, 1961.' "
I hope this dies. He's not going anywhere for at least 4 more, so what's the point of spending more of our money trying to prove something that can't/won't be proven?

Hawaii again declares Obama birth certificate real

By JAYMES SONG, Associated Press Writer Jaymes Song, Associated Press Writer – Tue Jul 28, 1:54 am ET

HONOLULU – State officials in Hawaii on Monday said they have once again checked and confirmed that President Barack Obama was born in Hawaii and is a natural-born American citizen, and therefore meets a key constitutional requirement for being president.

They hoped to stem a recent surge in the number of inquiries about Obama's birthplace.

"I ... have seen the original vital records maintained on file by the Hawaii State Department of Health verifying Barack Hussein Obama was born in Hawaii and is a natural-born American citizen," Health Director Dr. Chiyome Fukino said in a brief statement. "I have nothing further to add to this statement or my original statement issued in October 2008 over eight months ago."

So-called "birthers" — who claim Obama is ineligible to be president because, they argue, he was actually born outside the United States — have grown more vocal recently on blogs and television news shows.

Fukino issued a similar press release Oct. 31, but was prompted to speak out again because of the renewed attention on Obama's beginnings. Hawaii's Health Department has been flooded in recent weeks with questions from individuals and several national TV news networks asking for proof that Obama was indeed born in Hawaii.

"They just keep asking over and over and over again," Health Department spokeswoman Janice Okubo said.

The Constitution states that a person must be a "natural-born citizen" to be eligible for the presidency. Birthers contend that Obama's birth certificate is a fake, and many say he was actually born in Kenya, his father's homeland. They've challenged his citizenship in court.

One widely circulated YouTube clip of a town hall meeting showed a Republican congressman getting booed for saying Obama is a citizen. Talk show host Rush Limbaugh and CNN's Lou Dobbs have also raised the issue, and 10 Republican members of Congress co-sponsored a bill that would require future presidential candidates to provide a copy of their original birth certificate.

However, it appears Congress has moved on and has accepted Obama's island birthplace. The U.S. House on Monday unanimously approved a resolution recognizing and celebrating the 50th anniversary of Hawaii becoming the 50th state. A clause was included that reads: "Whereas the 44th President of the United States, Barack Obama, was born in Hawaii on August 4, 1961."

State law bars the release of a certified birth certificate to anyone who does not have a tangible interest.

However, Obama's birth certificate along with birth notices from the two Honolulu newspapers were brought forward even before he took office. But that's done nothing to shake the belief by many Obama critics that the president was born abroad.

http://news.yahoo.com/s/ap/20090728/ap_on_re_us/us_obama_birth_certificate

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Post by HotParadox on Wed Jul 29, 2009 1:26 am

It's done. the proof is there OT. Time to accept it, no?

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Re: News Flash! Hawaii Again Declares Obama Birth Certificate Real

Post by Old Timer on Wed Jul 29, 2009 8:39 am

HotParadox wrote:It's done. the proof is there OT. Time to accept it, no?

NO, NHEVER

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Post by jigglepete on Wed Jul 29, 2009 9:44 am

Old Timer wrote:
HotParadox wrote:It's done. the proof is there OT. Time to accept it, no?

NO, NHEVER

This is exactly why I stopped posting on here for a time (well, that and a crap-load of personal issues)...Give it up already...Please?

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Post by box86rowh on Wed Jul 29, 2009 11:16 am

Why is everyone so willing to accept the word of 1 person in this?? He says its there but no one else can see it....
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Post by PaulM on Wed Jul 29, 2009 11:51 am


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Post by CarolinaHound on Wed Jul 29, 2009 11:55 am

It really doesn't matter anymore anyway, even if he wasn't born where he says he was. By the time they got it investigated, mulled over, and decided to boot him out, his term would be over and the damage done. He is hiding something though that would be interesting to find out. If he has nothing to hide, why not just produce a real copy of the full birth certificate?

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Post by PaulM on Wed Jul 29, 2009 12:03 pm

CarolinaHound wrote:It really doesn't matter anymore anyway, even if he wasn't born where he says he was. By the time they got it investigated, mulled over, and decided to boot him out, his term would be over and the damage done. He is hiding something though that would be interesting to find out. If he has nothing to hide, why not just produce a real copy of the full birth certificate?

I said it before and I'll say it again... because it doesn't matter. The State of Hawaii could take each individual "birther" into their offices and show them the original and they STILL would not accept it as genuine.
There is no "evidence" that can be offered which will be acceptable.

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Post by Old Timer on Wed Jul 29, 2009 12:13 pm

CarolinaHound wrote:It really doesn't matter anymore anyway, even if he wasn't born where he says he was. By the time they got it investigated, mulled over, and decided to boot him out, his term would be over and the damage done. He is hiding something though that would be interesting to find out. If he has nothing to hide, why not just produce a real copy of the full birth certificate?

Because there may be higher powers at work here. there has to be a reason why a nobody was shunted in so fast. It is quite possible that there may be things either happening or about to happen of which we, the general public have no knowledge of and will not be told about. It happens all over the world. We are only told what tghey want us to know. Possibly as not to create a general panic.

Here is one thing that never made it to the general populatiuon here. I know because I live here. So please do not say that things are not kept from us. I anyone wants the link to this say so and I will post it.



Posted by geologist Christopher C. Sanders on January 1, 2009.
"I am advising all State officials around Yellowstone National Park for a potential State of Emergency. In the last week over 252 earthquakes have been observed by the USGS. We have a 3D view on the movement of magma rising underground. We have all of the pre warning signs of a major eruption from a super volcano. - I want everyone to leave Yellowstone National Park and for 200 miles around the volcano caldera."

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Post by CarolinaHound on Wed Jul 29, 2009 12:29 pm

I believe he was born in the states. I just can't help but wonder why he so determained not to show the whole thing. But that's his buisniss, I don't think there's anything on it to keep him from being prez.

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Post by PaulM on Wed Jul 29, 2009 12:58 pm

Old Timer wrote:
CarolinaHound wrote:It really doesn't matter anymore anyway, even if he wasn't born where he says he was. By the time they got it investigated, mulled over, and decided to boot him out, his term would be over and the damage done. He is hiding something though that would be interesting to find out. If he has nothing to hide, why not just produce a real copy of the full birth certificate?

Because there may be higher powers at work here. there has to be a reason why a nobody was shunted in so fast. It is quite possible that there may be things either happening or about to happen of which we, the general public have no knowledge of and will not be told about. It happens all over the world. We are only told what tghey want us to know. Possibly as not to create a general panic.

Here is one thing that never made it to the general populatiuon here. I know because I live here. So please do not say that things are not kept from us. I anyone wants the link to this say so and I will post it.



Posted by geologist Christopher C. Sanders on January 1, 2009.
"I am advising all State officials around Yellowstone National Park for a potential State of Emergency. In the last week over 252 earthquakes have been observed by the USGS. We have a 3D view on the movement of magma rising underground. We have all of the pre warning signs of a major eruption from a super volcano. - I want everyone to leave Yellowstone National Park and for 200 miles around the volcano caldera."

Let's see if I'm following your logic correctly...

The government keeps / withholds information from the general public as evidenced by an 8 month old evacuation notice for Yellowstone and the surrounding area.
Therefore...
Since the government withholds information from the general population this 8 month old withheld notice provides gounds to suspect Obama may not be a natural born citizen of the U.S.

That about sum it up?

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Post by Old Timer on Wed Jul 29, 2009 3:43 pm

PaulM wrote:
Old Timer wrote:
CarolinaHound wrote:It really doesn't matter anymore anyway, even if he wasn't born where he says he was. By the time they got it investigated, mulled over, and decided to boot him out, his term would be over and the damage done. He is hiding something though that would be interesting to find out. If he has nothing to hide, why not just produce a real copy of the full birth certificate?

Because there may be higher powers at work here. there has to be a reason why a nobody was shunted in so fast. It is quite possible that there may be things either happening or about to happen of which we, the general public have no knowledge of and will not be told about. It happens all over the world. We are only told what tghey want us to know. Possibly as not to create a general panic.

Here is one thing that never made it to the general populatiuon here. I know because I live here. So please do not say that things are not kept from us. I anyone wants the link to this say so and I will post it.



Posted by geologist Christopher C. Sanders on January 1, 2009.
"I am advising all State officials around Yellowstone National Park for a potential State of Emergency. In the last week over 252 earthquakes have been observed by the USGS. We have a 3D view on the movement of magma rising underground. We have all of the pre warning signs of a major eruption from a super volcano. - I want everyone to leave Yellowstone National Park and for 200 miles around the volcano caldera."

Let's see if I'm following your logic correctly...

The government keeps / withholds information from the general public as evidenced by an 8 month old evacuation notice for Yellowstone and the surrounding area.
Therefore...
Since the government withholds information from the general population this 8 month old withheld notice provides gounds to suspect Obama may not be a natural born citizen of the U.S.

That about sum it up?

Now I think that you are off on a wild tangent here. I only used that Yellowstone information as an example to show thaat information is indeed withheld, I had already formulated the thought that he was not a natural born citizen before that event had taken place. There are just to many little things that don't add up. Nobody ever questions which one he has. There are two different kinds used by Hawaii, and the one shown by the democratics is the one used for those not born in this country and is not the one that is used by any hospital and issued by the state if you are born in this country.

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Post by PaulM on Wed Jul 29, 2009 5:02 pm

It's good that you clarified that... However, your little statement about Yellowstone reads in a way that implies that since the gov withholds information from us that there must be some sort of government cover-up regarding Obama's birth. You're entitled to your opinion, but without evidence... that's all it is, opinion.

I don't see where your statement that "Nobody ever questions which one he has." is even valid. It was questioned by the Repubs during the election and found to be without substance... the Supreme Court threw it out for lack of evidence... the Hawaiian state offices involved state they have the original and vouched for it's authenticity... twice. Surely you don't believe "someone" went back in time and planted two birth announcements in the papers 40-something years ago... or better still produced fraudulent copies of something as easily verifiable as a newspaper announcement.

It's exactly as I've been saying... no form of evidence is acceptable to "birthers".

The State of Hawaii will provide YOU a certified copy of any birth certificate they have IF you can prove YOU have a tangible need for it. Since there is no concrete evidence... it's "game over man!".

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Post by Kazza on Wed Jul 29, 2009 8:30 pm

Old Timer wrote:
CarolinaHound wrote:It really doesn't matter anymore anyway, even if he wasn't born where he says he was. By the time they got it investigated, mulled over, and decided to boot him out, his term would be over and the damage done. He is hiding something though that would be interesting to find out. If he has nothing to hide, why not just produce a real copy of the full birth certificate?

Because there may be higher powers at work here. there has to be a reason why a nobody was shunted in so fast. It is quite possible that there may be things either happening or about to happen of which we, the general public have no knowledge of and will not be told about. It happens all over the world. We are only told what tghey want us to know. Possibly as not to create a general panic.

Here is one thing that never made it to the general populatiuon here. I know because I live here. So please do not say that things are not kept from us. I anyone wants the link to this say so and I will post it.



Posted by geologist Christopher C. Sanders on January 1, 2009.
"I am advising all State officials around Yellowstone National Park for a potential State of Emergency. In the last week over 252 earthquakes have been observed by the USGS. We have a 3D view on the movement of magma rising underground. We have all of the pre warning signs of a major eruption from a super volcano. - I want everyone to leave Yellowstone National Park and for 200 miles around the volcano caldera."

There's a very good reason why that was never communicated to the general public: it's because it's just some crazy natural gas developer, falsely claiming to be a scientist, looking for attention and the whole thing is bogus.

http://blog.powelltribune.com/2009/01/email-interview-christopher-sanders-and.html

http://powelltribune.com/index.php/content/view/643/1/

http://www.usgs.gov/newsroom/article.asp?ID=2102
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Post by HotParadox on Wed Jul 29, 2009 11:23 pm

Nice find, K.

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Post by CarolinaHound on Thu Jul 30, 2009 12:42 am

Kazza wrote:
Old Timer wrote:
CarolinaHound wrote:It really doesn't matter anymore anyway, even if he wasn't born where he says he was. By the time they got it investigated, mulled over, and decided to boot him out, his term would be over and the damage done. He is hiding something though that would be interesting to find out. If he has nothing to hide, why not just produce a real copy of the full birth certificate?

Because there may be higher powers at work here. there has to be a reason why a nobody was shunted in so fast. It is quite possible that there may be things either happening or about to happen of which we, the general public have no knowledge of and will not be told about. It happens all over the world. We are only told what tghey want us to know. Possibly as not to create a general panic.

Here is one thing that never made it to the general populatiuon here. I know because I live here. So please do not say that things are not kept from us. I anyone wants the link to this say so and I will post it.



Posted by geologist Christopher C. Sanders on January 1, 2009.
"I am advising all State officials around Yellowstone National Park for a potential State of Emergency. In the last week over 252 earthquakes have been observed by the USGS. We have a 3D view on the movement of magma rising underground. We have all of the pre warning signs of a major eruption from a super volcano. - I want everyone to leave Yellowstone National Park and for 200 miles around the volcano caldera."

There's a very good reason why that was never communicated to the general public: it's because it's just some crazy natural gas developer, falsely claiming to be a scientist, looking for attention and the whole thing is bogus.

http://blog.powelltribune.com/2009/01/email-interview-christopher-sanders-and.html

http://powelltribune.com/index.php/content/view/643/1/

http://www.usgs.gov/newsroom/article.asp?ID=2102

That's that "yelling fire" thing with impersinating and official thrown in, aint it?


Back to bambam and the birth certificate. I really think if there was anything to find that would oust bambam, someone would have produced the evadence by now. Most likely long before he was inogorated(sp?). Not that I think he should be in office. He's going to turn out to be a bigger mistake than Carter ever dreamed of being before all is done. But somebody, somewhere, would have produced the evadence by now if for nothing else to make a name for themselves and or, to make a bundle of money. Fox news alone would go into debt to buy info proving he needs to be kicked out.

But I still say there's something on that birth record he don't want made public and I don't think it's fear of ID theft. Who in their right mind would try to use Barack Obama's ID? But that is just speculation on my part.

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Post by Theophilus on Thu Jul 30, 2009 2:09 am

CarolinaHound wrote:
Kazza wrote:
Old Timer wrote:
CarolinaHound wrote:It really doesn't matter anymore anyway, even if he wasn't born where he says he was. By the time they got it investigated, mulled over, and decided to boot him out, his term would be over and the damage done. He is hiding something though that would be interesting to find out. If he has nothing to hide, why not just produce a real copy of the full birth certificate?

Because there may be higher powers at work here. there has to be a reason why a nobody was shunted in so fast. It is quite possible that there may be things either happening or about to happen of which we, the general public have no knowledge of and will not be told about. It happens all over the world. We are only told what tghey want us to know. Possibly as not to create a general panic.

Here is one thing that never made it to the general populatiuon here. I know because I live here. So please do not say that things are not kept from us. I anyone wants the link to this say so and I will post it.



Posted by geologist Christopher C. Sanders on January 1, 2009.
"I am advising all State officials around Yellowstone National Park for a potential State of Emergency. In the last week over 252 earthquakes have been observed by the USGS. We have a 3D view on the movement of magma rising underground. We have all of the pre warning signs of a major eruption from a super volcano. - I want everyone to leave Yellowstone National Park and for 200 miles around the volcano caldera."

There's a very good reason why that was never communicated to the general public: it's because it's just some crazy natural gas developer, falsely claiming to be a scientist, looking for attention and the whole thing is bogus.

http://blog.powelltribune.com/2009/01/email-interview-christopher-sanders-and.html

http://powelltribune.com/index.php/content/view/643/1/

http://www.usgs.gov/newsroom/article.asp?ID=2102

That's that "yelling fire" thing with impersinating and official thrown in, aint it?


Back to bambam and the birth certificate. I really think if there was anything to find that would oust bambam, someone would have produced the evadence by now. Most likely long before he was inogorated(sp?). Not that I think he should be in office. He's going to turn out to be a bigger mistake than Carter ever dreamed of being before all is done. But somebody, somewhere, would have produced the evadence by now if for nothing else to make a name for themselves and or, to make a bundle of money. Fox news alone would go into debt to buy info proving he needs to be kicked out.

But I still say there's something on that birth record he don't want made public and I don't think it's fear of ID theft. Who in their right mind would try to use Barack Obama's ID? But that is just speculation on my part.

Cater's big mistake was what? Not carpet bombing Iran for the hostages? He did send in a mission that failed to save the hostages. Was that his fault. No not at all. He counted on our special forces, and they failed him.

Understand something. The Iranians have never forgiven us for forcibly putting in the Shaw. The Shaw was our puppet.

The rebellion that happened was a repudiation of our zionist policies towards the middle east.

Carter made a small, and I mean small stand against the policy of death, and profit. Thus for doing so he was removed from office. That way we could have Reagan. A true zionist, and strong supporter of Israel.

The Americans cheered. Now we have someone who will finally blow things up, and kill people who disagree with us. Yeah god bless America.

I like and respect you CH. Though I am in strong disagreement with your post.

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Post by CarolinaHound on Thu Jul 30, 2009 3:01 am

Theophilus wrote:
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Kazza wrote:
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CarolinaHound wrote:It really doesn't matter anymore anyway, even if he wasn't born where he says he was. By the time they got it investigated, mulled over, and decided to boot him out, his term would be over and the damage done. He is hiding something though that would be interesting to find out. If he has nothing to hide, why not just produce a real copy of the full birth certificate?

Because there may be higher powers at work here. there has to be a reason why a nobody was shunted in so fast. It is quite possible that there may be things either happening or about to happen of which we, the general public have no knowledge of and will not be told about. It happens all over the world. We are only told what tghey want us to know. Possibly as not to create a general panic.

Here is one thing that never made it to the general populatiuon here. I know because I live here. So please do not say that things are not kept from us. I anyone wants the link to this say so and I will post it.



Posted by geologist Christopher C. Sanders on January 1, 2009.
"I am advising all State officials around Yellowstone National Park for a potential State of Emergency. In the last week over 252 earthquakes have been observed by the USGS. We have a 3D view on the movement of magma rising underground. We have all of the pre warning signs of a major eruption from a super volcano. - I want everyone to leave Yellowstone National Park and for 200 miles around the volcano caldera."

There's a very good reason why that was never communicated to the general public: it's because it's just some crazy natural gas developer, falsely claiming to be a scientist, looking for attention and the whole thing is bogus.

http://blog.powelltribune.com/2009/01/email-interview-christopher-sanders-and.html

http://powelltribune.com/index.php/content/view/643/1/

http://www.usgs.gov/newsroom/article.asp?ID=2102

That's that "yelling fire" thing with impersinating and official thrown in, aint it?


Back to bambam and the birth certificate. I really think if there was anything to find that would oust bambam, someone would have produced the evadence by now. Most likely long before he was inogorated(sp?). Not that I think he should be in office. He's going to turn out to be a bigger mistake than Carter ever dreamed of being before all is done. But somebody, somewhere, would have produced the evadence by now if for nothing else to make a name for themselves and or, to make a bundle of money. Fox news alone would go into debt to buy info proving he needs to be kicked out.

But I still say there's something on that birth record he don't want made public and I don't think it's fear of ID theft. Who in their right mind would try to use Barack Obama's ID? But that is just speculation on my part.

Cater's big mistake was what? Not carpet bombing Iran for the hostages? He did send in a mission that failed to save the hostages. Was that his fault. No not at all. He counted on our special forces, and they failed him.

Understand something. The Iranians have never forgiven us for forcibly putting in the Shaw. The Shaw was our puppet.

The rebellion that happened was a repudiation of our zionist policies towards the middle east.

Carter made a small, and I mean small stand against the policy of death, and profit. Thus for doing so he was removed from office. That way we could have Reagan. A true zionist, and strong supporter of Israel.

The Americans cheered. Now we have someone who will finally blow things up, and kill people who disagree with us. Yeah god bless America.

I like and respect you CH. Though I am in strong disagreement with your post.

As I too respect you. And I certainly won't hold hard feeling because you disagree with me. Very Happy

There's a number of reasons why I feel Carter was a failure But it will take awhile to write out, and is a different topic so I'll write it out and post it in a thread of it's own tomorrow evening.

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