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What will happen with Iran?

Post by CarolinaHound on Sat Jun 20, 2009 11:27 pm

Iran opposition leader calls for purge of 'lies'

EDITORS' NOTE: Reuters and other foreign media are subject to Iranian restrictions on their ability to report, film or take pictures in Tehran.



By Parisa Hafezi

TEHRAN, June 21 (Reuters) - Opposition leader Mirhossein Mousavi said the Islamic Republic must be purged of what he called lies and dishonesty, sending out a direct challenge to conservative rulers after a day of unrest across Tehran.

State television aired interviews with critics of the protests, urging Iranians to unite behind the government and suggesting only the West gained from Iran's troubles.

Helicopters criss-crossed the city and ambulance sirens wailed into the night after streets emptied of protesters who had defied Friday's stern warning from Supreme Leader Ayatollah Ali Khamenei against further demonstrations.

Riot police had deployed in force, firing teargas, using batons and water cannon to disperse groups of several hundred Iranians who had gathered across the city. There were fears of further violence on Sunday in the country, a major oil and gas producer.

Government restrictions prevent correspondents working for foreign media attending demonstrations to report, and the scale of any injuries or arrests was unclear.

Mousavi, focus of the biggest protests since the Islamic Revolution ousted the U.S.-backed Shah in 1979, said June 12 elections that delivered an overwhelming victory to hardline anti-Western President Mahmoud Ahmadinejad were fraudulent and must be annulled. He said the fraud was months in the planning.

Mousavi, who claims victory in the poll, told supporters he was "ready for martyrdom", according to an ally. But he said he did not seek confrontation with the authorities.

"We are not against the Islamic system and its laws but against lies and deviations and just want to reform it," he said in a statement posted on his website at the end of a tumultuous day.

He said if authorities refused to allow peaceful protests they would face the "consequences" -- an apparent rejoinder to Khamenei's warning that opposition leaders would be held responsible for any bloodshed resulting from protests.

"The people expect from their officials honesty and decency as many of our problems are because of lies...The Islamic revolution should be the way it was and the way it should be," Mousavi said.



"LISTEN TO THE LEADER"

State television said rioters smashed windows of banks and burned buses. They also aired interviews with people critical of the demonstrations that have racked Iran since the announcement of the election results on June 13.

"We all should listen to our leader (Khamenei) and preserve calm," said one unnamed woman, aged around 40. "Otherwise we will make our enemies (the West) happy."

Mousavi is himself a product of the Islamic establishment that has dominated Iran since 1979 and the robes of regime opponent may sit uneasily on his shoulders. But the demonstrations of the last week, swelling to hundreds of thousands, appear to have acquired a powerful momentum.

Beyond the violent confrontations with police, it was a day fraught with symbolism for the Islamic Republic.

A suicide bomber blew himself up at the mausoleum of Ayatollah Ruhollah Khomeini, police and state media said -- an attack likely to stir passions in a country where the father of the Islamic revolution is deeply revered. The identity of the bomber was not known.

Another reminder of 1979 came as darkness fell, when supporters of Mousavi sent cries of Allahu Akbar (God is greatest) echoing across the rooftops.

United States President Barack Obama, in the forefront of diplomatic efforts to halt an Iranian nuclear programme the West fears could yield atomic weapons, urged Tehran to "stop all violent and unjust actions against its own people".

"The Iranian government must understand that the world is watching. We mourn each and every innocent life that is lost," Obama said in a statement.

Iran's highest legislative body said it was ready to recount a random 10 percent of the votes cast in the election to meet the complaints of Mousavi and two other candidates.

(Writing by Ralph Boulton, editing by Mark Trevelyan)


source: http://www.reuters.com/article/latestCrisis/idUSLK61616

All I can say is Bravo to the Iranian people for what they are doing. I pray it ends soon though in the peoples favor and without more blood shed. I doubt it will be that easy though. I have an erie feeling the U.S. is going to be drawn into it before it's over with. I hope not.

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Re: What will happen with Iran?

Post by HotParadox on Sat Jun 20, 2009 11:38 pm

i think it will end relatively sooner than later b/c once most of the people are vehemently against a regime, the regime is toast. the majority of the protesters are 27 or under and they are getting the word out electronically. otherwise, this would not have the legs that it has. given that the word is out and the protesters are gaining world kudos, it will be difficult for the regime to hold on for long, imo.

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Re: What will happen with Iran?

Post by CarolinaHound on Sat Jun 20, 2009 11:49 pm

I hope you're right, but I don't think the regime is going to go that easy. And Ahmadinejad is evil-nuts, crazy with just enough sense to be dangerous. there's usually limited ways to get rid of a crazy man with a little power. Which it's really the Ayatollah who is in charge. It's almost like darth vader and the evil emperor. hehehehe...

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Re: What will happen with Iran?

Post by Kazza on Sun Jun 21, 2009 3:12 am

The thing is, there's every chance that Ahmadinijad won the election fair and square. Polls a few weeks prior to the election showed him winning by a two-thirds majority - roughly the amount that he won the election by in the end. Just because people are protesting (and good on them for doing so) doesn't necessarily mean that the election was rigged, no matter how much we would like Ahmadinijad to lose.
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Re: What will happen with Iran?

Post by Theophilus on Sun Jun 21, 2009 3:28 am

Yes that does seem to be the case.

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Post by CarolinaHound on Sun Jun 21, 2009 4:00 am

Kazza wrote:The thing is, there's every chance that Ahmadinijad won the election fair and square. Polls a few weeks prior to the election showed him winning by a two-thirds majority - roughly the amount that he won the election by in the end. Just because people are protesting (and good on them for doing so) doesn't necessarily mean that the election was rigged, no matter how much we would like Ahmadinijad to lose.

True, but if they put in the effort to rig the election, what's to stop them from taking the extra time to rig the polls so as not to look like they were rigging the election?

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Re: What will happen with Iran?

Post by DM007 on Sun Jun 21, 2009 4:26 am

I don't think it mounts a hill o' beans, either way. The Mullah's selected the candidates. The fix was already in. Either candidate would/will do their bidding. The voters get a warm and fuzzy, because they got to vote. How would we feel in the USA if, for example, the last Presidential election was only Thompson vs. Romney, or Edwards vs. Kerry? Or a similar situation in Oz?

And, I think CH is right. If they were capable of rigging an election, who's to say they couldn't rig a poll? I think it is damned convenient the numbers just happen to match. It could happen, but....... Mr. Imonajihad announced his victory before enough votes were counted (and still aren't, and won't be counted). There's more to this story than we'll ever know. Not that it matters one iota.

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Re: What will happen with Iran?

Post by Theophilus on Sun Jun 21, 2009 4:46 am

DM007 wrote:I don't think it mounts a hill o' beans, either way. The Mullah's selected the candidates. The fix was already in. Either candidate would/will do their bidding. The voters get a warm and fuzzy, because they got to vote. How would we feel in the USA if, for example, the last Presidential election was only Thompson vs. Romney, or Edwards vs. Kerry? Or a similar situation in Oz?

And, I think CH is right. If they were capable of rigging an election, who's to say they couldn't rig a poll? I think it is damned convenient the numbers just happen to match. It could happen, but....... Mr. Imonajihad announced his victory before enough votes were counted (and still aren't, and won't be counted). There's more to this story than we'll ever know. Not that it matters one iota.

I agreed with Kazza, though I also have to agree with this as well. Yes it could very well be true about rigging the polls. I don't know what methods they use for polling. In a country like Iran one would have to ask about just how scientific the polls are I guess. So to assume the polls were correct, may indeed be the incorrect thought path. Also it seems correct about the Mullah's selected candidates.

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Re: What will happen with Iran?

Post by CarolinaHound on Sun Jun 21, 2009 4:54 am

Yup DM, you got it pegged. I still think our troops are going to be all up in Iran within the next few years. Obama will be white headed by the talking about, "I know what I said, but.. but.. but... ~Insert a well scripted telepropted bunch of bs here~"

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Post by CarolinaHound on Sun Jun 21, 2009 4:56 am

Theophilus wrote:
DM007 wrote:I don't think it mounts a hill o' beans, either way. The Mullah's selected the candidates. The fix was already in. Either candidate would/will do their bidding. The voters get a warm and fuzzy, because they got to vote. How would we feel in the USA if, for example, the last Presidential election was only Thompson vs. Romney, or Edwards vs. Kerry? Or a similar situation in Oz?

And, I think CH is right. If they were capable of rigging an election, who's to say they couldn't rig a poll? I think it is damned convenient the numbers just happen to match. It could happen, but....... Mr. Imonajihad announced his victory before enough votes were counted (and still aren't, and won't be counted). There's more to this story than we'll ever know. Not that it matters one iota.

I agreed with Kazza, though I also have to agree with this as well. Yes it could very well be true about rigging the polls. I don't know what methods they use for polling. In a country like Iran one would have to ask about just how scientific the polls are I guess. So to assume the polls were correct, may indeed be the incorrect thought path. Also it seems correct about the Mullah's selected candidates.

The government runs them, just like they run the media. A lot like things in our country are starting to be done.

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Post by CarolinaHound on Sun Jun 21, 2009 11:16 pm

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