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Post by HotParadox on Mon Apr 06, 2009 2:45 pm

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HotParadox wrote:ron paul 2012.

Hah, it is going to be OT, The Dawg and HP in 2012 Very Happy
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Post by CarolinaHound on Mon Apr 06, 2009 2:46 pm

Just keep me away from the red button.

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Post by HotParadox on Mon Apr 06, 2009 2:51 pm

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DM007 wrote:This is not a PTA meeting to talk about fund raisers. This is the World stability in practice.

The people of a country MUST be arrogant, dismissive, even derisive at times, which are only a few components of PRIDE. A country's leader(s) should NEVER question this. Questioning the pride of one's country is an absolute indication of the leader's arrogance, dismissiveness, and derisiveness, toward the people of that country. Appeasement, excuses and apologies are NOT qualities of strength.

The World, as a whole, has been riding the wave of prosperity, provided by the people of the US. None of this was forced upon them. We allowed them to join us. We shared. They took advantage of our prosperity, and profited. We could have isolated ourselves from them, denying them the fruits of our labors (so to speak). Now that the World is in financial crisis, we, the providers of the previous prosperity, are at fault for failing to provide this prosperity as it was before. This is NO course to correction (return to the previous state of prosperity). During this time we were arrogant, dismissive, and derisive, we were also the MOST giving, forgiving, and generous country on the face of this Earth. The wealth has been shared. Even during our time of disparity, we continue to share. In the absence of pride, there is no generosity.

This is the time, like never before, to be arrogant, dismissive, and derisive. Without it, we are weak, and a mere voice in a choir. The strength of this country is what brought about the prosperity. Remove that strength, and that prosperity ceases to exist.
this is the post that a lot of people want to say but are too damn pc to say.
no bs zone here. props, dm. Like a Star @ heaven
Now that's what I'm talkin bout! Great post DM007!
this is post is so old school; when we knew who we were, were not afraid to be that and were proud to be that: patriots.

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Post by JReed on Mon Apr 06, 2009 3:06 pm

DM007 wrote:This is not a PTA meeting to talk about fund raisers. This is the World stability in practice.

The people of a country MUST be arrogant, dismissive, even derisive at times, which are only a few components of PRIDE. A country's leader(s) should NEVER question this. Questioning the pride of one's country is an absolute indication of the leader's arrogance, dismissiveness, and derisiveness, toward the people of that country. Appeasement, excuses and apologies are NOT qualities of strength.

The World, as a whole, has been riding the wave of prosperity, provided by the people of the US. None of this was forced upon them. We allowed them to join us. We shared. They took advantage of our prosperity, and profited. We could have isolated ourselves from them, denying them the fruits of our labors (so to speak). Now that the World is in financial crisis, we, the providers of the previous prosperity, are at fault for failing to provide this prosperity as it was before. This is NO course to correction (return to the previous state of prosperity). During this time we were arrogant, dismissive, and derisive, we were also the MOST giving, forgiving, and generous country on the face of this Earth. The wealth has been shared. Even during our time of disparity, we continue to share. In the absence of pride, there is no generosity.

This is the time, like never before, to be arrogant, dismissive, and derisive. Without it, we are weak, and a mere voice in a choir. The strength of this country is what brought about the prosperity. Remove that strength, and that prosperity ceases to exist.

Yeah, I can agree with that.
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Post by Old Timer on Mon Apr 06, 2009 5:35 pm

HotParadox wrote:
CarolinaHound wrote:
HotParadox wrote:
DM007 wrote:This is not a PTA meeting to talk about fund raisers. This is the World stability in practice.

The people of a country MUST be arrogant, dismissive, even derisive at times, which are only a few components of PRIDE. A country's leader(s) should NEVER question this. Questioning the pride of one's country is an absolute indication of the leader's arrogance, dismissiveness, and derisiveness, toward the people of that country. Appeasement, excuses and apologies are NOT qualities of strength.

The World, as a whole, has been riding the wave of prosperity, provided by the people of the US. None of this was forced upon them. We allowed them to join us. We shared. They took advantage of our prosperity, and profited. We could have isolated ourselves from them, denying them the fruits of our labors (so to speak). Now that the World is in financial crisis, we, the providers of the previous prosperity, are at fault for failing to provide this prosperity as it was before. This is NO course to correction (return to the previous state of prosperity). During this time we were arrogant, dismissive, and derisive, we were also the MOST giving, forgiving, and generous country on the face of this Earth. The wealth has been shared. Even during our time of disparity, we continue to share. In the absence of pride, there is no generosity.

This is the time, like never before, to be arrogant, dismissive, and derisive. Without it, we are weak, and a mere voice in a choir. The strength of this country is what brought about the prosperity. Remove that strength, and that prosperity ceases to exist.
this is the post that a lot of people want to say but are too damn pc to say.
no bs zone here. props, dm. Like a Star @ heaven
Now that's what I'm talkin bout! Great post DM007!
this is post is so old school; when we knew who we were, were not afraid to be that and were proud to be that: patriots.

And there are those of us that are still that way and not afraid to say so either. And if the world don't like it, well that is just to bad. My day does not depend on what they think I should feel of be. That is my decision, not theirs. And if BO dn't like it he can kiss my other cheeks.

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Post by HotParadox on Tue Apr 07, 2009 9:28 pm

Old Timer wrote:
HotParadox wrote:
CarolinaHound wrote:
HotParadox wrote:
DM007 wrote:This is not a PTA meeting to talk about fund raisers. This is the World stability in practice.

The people of a country MUST be arrogant, dismissive, even derisive at times, which are only a few components of PRIDE. A country's leader(s) should NEVER question this. Questioning the pride of one's country is an absolute indication of the leader's arrogance, dismissiveness, and derisiveness, toward the people of that country. Appeasement, excuses and apologies are NOT qualities of strength.

The World, as a whole, has been riding the wave of prosperity, provided by the people of the US. None of this was forced upon them. We allowed them to join us. We shared. They took advantage of our prosperity, and profited. We could have isolated ourselves from them, denying them the fruits of our labors (so to speak). Now that the World is in financial crisis, we, the providers of the previous prosperity, are at fault for failing to provide this prosperity as it was before. This is NO course to correction (return to the previous state of prosperity). During this time we were arrogant, dismissive, and derisive, we were also the MOST giving, forgiving, and generous country on the face of this Earth. The wealth has been shared. Even during our time of disparity, we continue to share. In the absence of pride, there is no generosity.

This is the time, like never before, to be arrogant, dismissive, and derisive. Without it, we are weak, and a mere voice in a choir. The strength of this country is what brought about the prosperity. Remove that strength, and that prosperity ceases to exist.
this is the post that a lot of people want to say but are too damn pc to say.
no bs zone here. props, dm. Like a Star @ heaven
Now that's what I'm talkin bout! Great post DM007!
this is post is so old school; when we knew who we were, were not afraid to be that and were proud to be that: patriots.

And there are those of us that are still that way and not afraid to say so either. And if the world don't like it, well that is just to bad. My day does not depend on what they think I should feel of be. That is my decision, not theirs. And if BO dn't like it he can kiss my other cheeks.
there are a lot of kids out there who feel the same way as you, ot. they don't like the rhetoric, either. unlike you though, if i read your political stance correctly, they tend to be more centrist or libertarians, and they wanna be heard. but there are also a lot of kids who are hell bent on the idea of a very different america then as we know her; a very left america, leaning towards socialism. i don't have to tell you that the kids are our future and i'm sitting on the edge of my seat waiting to see how this plays out over the next 10 or so years, when they're running the country.

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Post by Kazza on Wed Apr 08, 2009 3:53 am

Looks like most Americans are happy with what BO is saying in Europe

(CBS) As President Obama concludes his well-publicized trip to Europe, Americans are more positive about the respect accorded to a U.S. president than they have been in years, according to a new CBS News/New York Times poll.

Sixty-seven percent say world leaders respect Mr. Obama, while 18 percent say they do not respect the president. That's a sharp contrast to the response when this question was asked about Mr. Obama's predecessor, George W. Bush, in July 2006: Just 30 percent then said the president is respected by the leaders of other countries.

Mr. Obama's overall approval rating, meanwhile, has hit a new high of 66 percent, up from 64 percent last month. His disapproval rating stands at 24 percent. Nearly all Democrats and most independents approve of the way the president is handling his job, while only 31 percent of Republicans approve.



http://www.cbsnews.com/stories/2009/04/06/opinion/polls/main4923710.shtml?source=RSSattr=HOME_4923710
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Post by CarolinaHound on Wed Apr 08, 2009 4:47 am

9 out of 10 people choose pepsi over coke, unless of course you believe the coke taste test which found that 9 out of 10 prefered coke. When you gonna learn those polls are rigged? tongue Wink

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Post by Old Timer on Wed Apr 08, 2009 12:09 pm

CarolinaHound wrote:9 out of 10 people choose pepsi over coke, unless of course you believe the coke taste test which found that 9 out of 10 prefered coke. When you gonna learn those polls are rigged? tongue Wink

Mot really. they will just keep on asking folks until they get the desired results, then they can honestly say that 9 out of 10 said that. Of course they may have to go throuhg about a thousand folks to get to that figure to. Very Happy

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Post by Kazza on Wed Apr 08, 2009 6:11 pm

The full details of the poll are available on the site, including the exact wording of every question that they asked and how many respondents answered in each category.

My internet is playing up, so I can't open the pdf, but I think there were about 1000 people in the poll. If Obama had, say, a 50% approval rating, instead of 66, then they would need to conduct the poll.... ok, I just ran the numbers and the silly thing doesn't have enough decimal places. Which means they would need to have run at least 100,000 trials before they got a set of 1000 where 66% like Obama. Which means asking 30% of the population of the country.

Of course, the whole thing could just be made up, but then so could Obama. Have any of you actually seen him with your own eyes?

And in any case, gallup polls are the most reliable, and they show the same thing.

http://www.gallup.com/poll/117370/Satisfaction-Ratings-Continue-Slow-Steady-Climb.aspx
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Post by Peregrine(Endangered) on Wed Apr 08, 2009 6:23 pm

"Of course, the whole thing could just be made up, but then so could Obama. Have any of you actually seen him with your own eyes?"

He's real. My sister went to a rally in Pennsylvania and actually got to shake his hand...she hasn't washed it since.hehehe
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Post by CarolinaHound on Wed Apr 08, 2009 6:42 pm

He's an android sent by Europe on one of the chemtrails.... oh, wrong forum. Sorry. hehehehe

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Post by Old Timer on Wed Apr 08, 2009 7:13 pm

CarolinaHound wrote:He's an android sent by Europe on one of the chemtrails.... oh, wrong forum. Sorry. hehehehe

Sorry to have to tell you that you are wrong Dawg, he is no andrioid, androids have intellegence and do not lie. Unless of course they are programmed by their masters to do so. But that wouldn't be the case here now. Or would it? Very Happy

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Post by CarolinaHound on Wed Apr 08, 2009 7:31 pm

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CarolinaHound wrote:He's an android sent by Europe on one of the chemtrails.... oh, wrong forum. Sorry. hehehehe

Sorry to have to tell you that you are wrong Dawg, he is no andrioid, androids have intellegence and do not lie. Unless of course they are programmed by their masters to do so. But that wouldn't be the case here now. Or would it? Very Happy

hmmmmm.... scratch Suspect

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Post by Old Timer on Wed Apr 08, 2009 7:35 pm

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Old Timer wrote:
CarolinaHound wrote:He's an android sent by Europe on one of the chemtrails.... oh, wrong forum. Sorry. hehehehe

Sorry to have to tell you that you are wrong Dawg, he is no andrioid, androids have intellegence and do not lie. Unless of course they are programmed by their masters to do so. But that wouldn't be the case here now. Or would it? Very Happy

hmmmmm.... scratch Suspect

Ya know, his speeches do sound something like a pre recorded type of thing don't it. Laughing

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Post by CarolinaHound on Wed Apr 08, 2009 8:28 pm

Old Timer wrote:
CarolinaHound wrote:
Old Timer wrote:
CarolinaHound wrote:He's an android sent by Europe on one of the chemtrails.... oh, wrong forum. Sorry. hehehehe

Sorry to have to tell you that you are wrong Dawg, he is no andrioid, androids have intellegence and do not lie. Unless of course they are programmed by their masters to do so. But that wouldn't be the case here now. Or would it? Very Happy

hmmmmm.... scratch Suspect

Ya know, his speeches do sound something like a pre recorded type of thing don't it. Laughing

That's cause he's reading them.

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Post by HotParadox on Wed Apr 08, 2009 8:54 pm

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Of course, the whole thing could just be made up, but then so could Obama. Have any of you actually seen him with your own eyes?
i have not so, therefore, he is fake. Very Happy

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Post by CarolinaHound on Wed Apr 08, 2009 10:32 pm

Hey, if they faked the moon landing, they can fake the prez. Suspect

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Post by DM007 on Thu Apr 09, 2009 1:17 am

You've probably already seen it, watch it again. "Wag the Dog"
(excellent movie)

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Post by Kazza on Thu Apr 09, 2009 1:21 am

How do I even know you are all real? HP's the only one I've ever met, but maybe she's one of them.
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Post by DM007 on Thu Apr 09, 2009 1:41 am

I'm not real. Merely a fragment of your imagination. Just ask me.....

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Post by CarolinaHound on Thu Apr 09, 2009 1:52 am

Kazza wrote:How do I even know you are all real? HP's the only one I've ever met, but maybe she's one of them.

You don't, I could me a psychosis brought on by a formula you figured out while doing all those calculations and just don't know you stumbled onto the secret of the next dimensional dementia. Suspect Twisted Evil

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DM007 wrote:You've probably already seen it, watch it again. "Wag the Dog"
(excellent movie)

Nope, I haven't seen it yet. Very Happy

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Post by DM007 on Thu Apr 09, 2009 2:39 am

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DM007 wrote:You've probably already seen it, watch it again. "Wag the Dog"
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Nope, I haven't seen it yet. Very Happy

10 or so years ago, but I think it was with Dustin Hoffman. Same era as "Outbreak". A real head-scratcher.

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Post by HotParadox on Thu Apr 09, 2009 7:55 am

DM007 wrote:
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DM007 wrote:You've probably already seen it, watch it again. "Wag the Dog"
(excellent movie)

Nope, I haven't seen it yet. Very Happy

10 or so years ago, but I think it was with Dustin Hoffman. Same era as "Outbreak". A real head-scratcher.
what a great movie, dm. yup, dustin Hoffman and bobby DeNero. it won academy awards and nominations galore.
i think you must have seen it, doggieboy and you just don't remember. that was back in the day when your lights were on, but nobody was at home. drunken 🐶

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Post by Old Timer on Thu Apr 09, 2009 8:49 am

Today obama says he is going to solve the illegal immirant problem, Guess what he wants to make all 13 or so million illegals legal and with so many of his own people out of work to. So welcome to America, land and home of the free the brave and the screwed. Well America, you wanted change, well your getting it. It won't be to long and english will be considered a second language here and if it is even spoken at all at the rate things are going.

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Post by JReed on Thu Apr 09, 2009 11:47 am

Old Timer wrote:Today obama says he is going to solve the illegal immirant problem, Guess what he wants to make all 13 or so million illegals legal and with so many of his own people out of work to. So welcome to America, land and home of the free the brave and the screwed. Well America, you wanted change, well your getting it. It won't be to long and english will be considered a second language here and if it is even spoken at all at the rate things are going.

We can always go to canada, england, or austrailia!!
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Post by Old Timer on Thu Apr 09, 2009 12:51 pm

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Old Timer wrote:Today obama says he is going to solve the illegal immirant problem, Guess what he wants to make all 13 or so million illegals legal and with so many of his own people out of work to. So welcome to America, land and home of the free the brave and the screwed. Well America, you wanted change, well your getting it. It won't be to long and english will be considered a second language here and if it is even spoken at all at the rate things are going.

We can always go to canada, england, or austrailia!!

That is trrue. But as I see it, this is my coungtry and sooner or later the fight for it will start again. When it does I aim to be right here and right in the middle of it. And it will happen to. Sooner or later folks will begin to get tired of it and start taking matters into their own hands again. It is bound to happen. Then there will be no more things like dial one fo english.

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Post by HotParadox on Thu Apr 09, 2009 1:12 pm

Dial one for english? it's gotten even worse. now it's dial two for english.

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Post by Big Slick on Thu Apr 09, 2009 1:19 pm

Kazza wrote:The full details of the poll are available on the site, including the exact wording of every question that they asked and how many respondents answered in each category.

My internet is playing up, so I can't open the pdf, but I think there were about 1000 people in the poll. If Obama had, say, a 50% approval rating, instead of 66, then they would need to conduct the poll.... ok, I just ran the numbers and the silly thing doesn't have enough decimal places. Which means they would need to have run at least 100,000 trials before they got a set of 1000 where 66% like Obama. Which means asking 30% of the population of the country.

Of course, the whole thing could just be made up, but then so could Obama. Have any of you actually seen him with your own eyes?

And in any case, gallup polls are the most reliable, and they show the same thing.

http://www.gallup.com/poll/117370/Satisfaction-Ratings-Continue-Slow-Steady-Climb.aspx

That's not how polls work. I work in Marketing Research and I do this all day. Increasing the number of people you interview will not change the results of the poll. All it will do is decrease the margin of error. So if you interview 100 random people and 60% approve of BO then that means that could be as high as 70% or as low as 50% so there is a huge margin of error. Increasing the number to 1000 will mean that 60% will still say the same thing but now the range closes to 57%-63%.

I looked at the PDF showing the questions and who and how they sampled their respondents and nothing looks manipulated to me. I did see something interesting that directly refutes all of you doomsayers that say BO is ruining this country.

When asked about the direction the country is heading...

Right Direction / Wrong Track
10/2008 - 7% / 89%
12/2008 - 12% / 83%
2/2009 - 23% / 68%
3/2009 - 35% / 57%
4/2009 - 39% / 53%

See the steady increase in people who believe the country is headed in the right direction.
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Post by Old Timer on Thu Apr 09, 2009 4:59 pm

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Kazza wrote:The full details of the poll are available on the site, including the exact wording of every question that they asked and how many respondents answered in each category.

My internet is playing up, so I can't open the pdf, but I think there were about 1000 people in the poll. If Obama had, say, a 50% approval rating, instead of 66, then they would need to conduct the poll.... ok, I just ran the numbers and the silly thing doesn't have enough decimal places. Which means they would need to have run at least 100,000 trials before they got a set of 1000 where 66% like Obama. Which means asking 30% of the population of the country.

Of course, the whole thing could just be made up, but then so could Obama. Have any of you actually seen him with your own eyes?

And in any case, gallup polls are the most reliable, and they show the same thing.

http://www.gallup.com/poll/117370/Satisfaction-Ratings-Continue-Slow-Steady-Climb.aspx

That's not how polls work. I work in Marketing Research and I do this all day. Increasing the number of people you interview will not change the results of the poll. All it will do is decrease the margin of error. So if you interview 100 random people and 60% approve of BO then that means that could be as high as 70% or as low as 50% so there is a huge margin of error. Increasing the number to 1000 will mean that 60% will still say the same thing but now the range closes to 57%-63%.

I looked at the PDF showing the questions and who and how they sampled their respondents and nothing looks manipulated to me. I did see something interesting that directly refutes all of you doomsayers that say BO is ruining this country.

When asked about the direction the country is heading...

Right Direction / Wrong Track
10/2008 - 7% / 89%
12/2008 - 12% / 83%
2/2009 - 23% / 68%
3/2009 - 35% / 57%
4/2009 - 39% / 53%

See the steady increase in people who believe the country is headed in the right direction.

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Now that looks good, but looks are more ofen than not deceiving. And that polls figures would also change if different folks were asked.

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Post by Big Slick on Thu Apr 09, 2009 5:13 pm

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Now that looks good, but looks are more ofen than not deceiving. And that polls figures would also change if different folks were asked.

No they wouldn't, that's what I'm saying. This was a random sampling, which means the results will be the exact same regardless how many people you ask. It's called a representative sample. The only way the numbers would change is if you changed the group you were sampling from. For example, instead of a random sample you decide only to interview Males 40+ who lived in the Pacific Northwest. Yea you might get some different numbers but the random sample is the most unbiased.

If you don't believe in sampling, then next time you go to the doctor and they draw blood for testing, tell them you want it taken from different parts of your body so you can get different results. Or tell them to take it all.
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While I do understand what you are saying and agree with it. I have a question. Who selects those selected for the polls and how are they selected.

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Old Timer wrote:While I do understand what you are saying and agree with it. I have a question. Who selects those selected for the polls and how are they selected.

It depends on each individual study. This one said it used an RDD sample. Which means they used a computer program to randomly dial phone numbers nationwide. There is no rhyme or reason to the dialing and if someone picks up they start asking them questions. Each survey will have a screening section to see if you are qualified to take the survey. So, for example, if Summer's Eve wanted to get opinions on a new product or idea they would screen out certain people who would not help their study. They would screen out men (for obvious reasons) and they would more than likely screen out 55+ due to the menopausal stage.

Now for this study, since it was a general population opinion poll, I would guess they would only screen you out if you directly worked for one of the political parties. Everyone else would qualify and anyone who was willing to participate would be allowed to.
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Old Timer wrote:While I do understand what you are saying and agree with it. I have a question. Who selects those selected for the polls and how are they selected.

It depends on each individual study. This one said it used an RDD sample. Which means they used a computer program to randomly dial phone numbers nationwide. There is no rhyme or reason to the dialing and if someone picks up they start asking them questions. Each survey will have a screening section to see if you are qualified to take the survey. So, for example, if Summer's Eve wanted to get opinions on a new product or idea they would screen out certain people who would not help their study. They would screen out men (for obvious reasons) and they would more than likely screen out 55+ due to the menopausal stage.

Now for this study, since it was a general population opinion poll, I would guess they would only screen you out if you directly worked for one of the political parties. Everyone else would qualify and anyone who was willing to participate would be allowed to.

Thanks, I have always wondered about that. So there is no way possible for them to control or fix the results then?

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Post by CarolinaHound on Thu Apr 09, 2009 6:38 pm

Old Timer wrote:
Big Slick wrote:
Old Timer wrote:While I do understand what you are saying and agree with it. I have a question. Who selects those selected for the polls and how are they selected.

It depends on each individual study. This one said it used an RDD sample. Which means they used a computer program to randomly dial phone numbers nationwide. There is no rhyme or reason to the dialing and if someone picks up they start asking them questions. Each survey will have a screening section to see if you are qualified to take the survey. So, for example, if Summer's Eve wanted to get opinions on a new product or idea they would screen out certain people who would not help their study. They would screen out men (for obvious reasons) and they would more than likely screen out 55+ due to the menopausal stage.

Now for this study, since it was a general population opinion poll, I would guess they would only screen you out if you directly worked for one of the political parties. Everyone else would qualify and anyone who was willing to participate would be allowed to.

Thanks, I have always wondered about that. So there is no way possible for them to control or fix the results then?

That would depend on what they were screening for and what were the screening questions. So yea, it can be fixed right there.

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CarolinaHound wrote:
Old Timer wrote:
Big Slick wrote:
Old Timer wrote:While I do understand what you are saying and agree with it. I have a question. Who selects those selected for the polls and how are they selected.

It depends on each individual study. This one said it used an RDD sample. Which means they used a computer program to randomly dial phone numbers nationwide. There is no rhyme or reason to the dialing and if someone picks up they start asking them questions. Each survey will have a screening section to see if you are qualified to take the survey. So, for example, if Summer's Eve wanted to get opinions on a new product or idea they would screen out certain people who would not help their study. They would screen out men (for obvious reasons) and they would more than likely screen out 55+ due to the menopausal stage.

Now for this study, since it was a general population opinion poll, I would guess they would only screen you out if you directly worked for one of the political parties. Everyone else would qualify and anyone who was willing to participate would be allowed to.

Thanks, I have always wondered about that. So there is no way possible for them to control or fix the results then?

That would depend on what they were screening for and what were the screening questions. So yea, it can be fixed right there.

So basically there is no way anyone would ever know if the polls are honest or not. So we then must have blind faith. That presents a problem for me.

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Post by CarolinaHound on Thu Apr 09, 2009 6:48 pm

Old Timer wrote:
CarolinaHound wrote:
Old Timer wrote:
Big Slick wrote:
Old Timer wrote:While I do understand what you are saying and agree with it. I have a question. Who selects those selected for the polls and how are they selected.

It depends on each individual study. This one said it used an RDD sample. Which means they used a computer program to randomly dial phone numbers nationwide. There is no rhyme or reason to the dialing and if someone picks up they start asking them questions. Each survey will have a screening section to see if you are qualified to take the survey. So, for example, if Summer's Eve wanted to get opinions on a new product or idea they would screen out certain people who would not help their study. They would screen out men (for obvious reasons) and they would more than likely screen out 55+ due to the menopausal stage.

Now for this study, since it was a general population opinion poll, I would guess they would only screen you out if you directly worked for one of the political parties. Everyone else would qualify and anyone who was willing to participate would be allowed to.

Thanks, I have always wondered about that. So there is no way possible for them to control or fix the results then?

That would depend on what they were screening for and what were the screening questions. So yea, it can be fixed right there.

So basically there is no way anyone would ever know if the polls are honest or not. So we then must have blind faith. That presents a problem for me.

yup, and you have to have faith that those who are having the poll done, won't change the results after it's taken. Who'd know the difference?

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CarolinaHound wrote:
Old Timer wrote:
CarolinaHound wrote:
Old Timer wrote:
Big Slick wrote:
Old Timer wrote:While I do understand what you are saying and agree with it. I have a question. Who selects those selected for the polls and how are they selected.

It depends on each individual study. This one said it used an RDD sample. Which means they used a computer program to randomly dial phone numbers nationwide. There is no rhyme or reason to the dialing and if someone picks up they start asking them questions. Each survey will have a screening section to see if you are qualified to take the survey. So, for example, if Summer's Eve wanted to get opinions on a new product or idea they would screen out certain people who would not help their study. They would screen out men (for obvious reasons) and they would more than likely screen out 55+ due to the menopausal stage.

Now for this study, since it was a general population opinion poll, I would guess they would only screen you out if you directly worked for one of the political parties. Everyone else would qualify and anyone who was willing to participate would be allowed to.

Thanks, I have always wondered about that. So there is no way possible for them to control or fix the results then?

That would depend on what they were screening for and what were the screening questions. So yea, it can be fixed right there.

So basically there is no way anyone would ever know if the polls are honest or not. So we then must have blind faith. That presents a problem for me.

yup, and you have to have faith that those who are having the poll done, won't change the results after it's taken. Who'd know the difference?

Just those paying for certain results. They would want to show good results for their products or people

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Post by HotParadox on Thu Apr 09, 2009 7:02 pm

the best poll is the one you hear with your own ears talking to friends, family, people in your area and people you know out of state. that may not be the pulse of america, but the formal polls may not be either. that appears to be the bottom line, though, doesn't it?

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