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Post by box86rowh on Fri Mar 27, 2009 2:59 pm

Here is a really great article from yahoo news...

http://news.yahoo.com/s/ynews/20090327/pl_ynews/ynews_pl277_5

It's obvious the camera loves President Barack Obama. But are American audiences growing tired of his seemingly ubiquitous TV appearances?

This week alone, the president has been on "60 Minutes," held a press conference during primetime (networks reluctantly bumped "American Idol" and "Biggest Loser" to make room for it) and answered viewer questions at his first-ever online town hall meeting. And all this is in addition to ESPN’s sporadic updates on how his NCAA bracket is doing.

New York Times columnist Gail Collins put it this way:

"…there appear to be only two constants in our ever-changing world. One is that Barack Obama is going to be on television every day forever. No venue is too strange. Soon, he’ll be on 'Dancing With the Stars' ('And now, doing the Health Care, Energy and Education tango ...’) or delivering the weather report. ('Here we see a wave of systemic change, moving across the nation ...’)"

Others criticize President Obama, who is known for his fiery orations, for "being boring" and "dull". LA Times blogger Andrew Malcolm likened Obama's Tuesday night primetime presser to a lackluster college lecture:

"Professor Barack Obama showed up. And if you remember one of those required college lecture courses in the large auditorium at 8:10 a.m., listening to a droning don, and how it felt, slumped in the cushy seats having skipped breakfast for an extra 13 minutes of ZZZZs."

The TV ratings seem to echo the feelings of those less-than-enthused critics. According to Nielson, Obama’s much hyped primetime appearance attracted 40 million viewers, down 18% from his February 9 press conference and down 23% from his February 24 address to Congress.

But there are those who defend the president's pervasive media strategy, saying his constant presence is reassuring to the American public. White House Chief of Staff Rahm Emmanuel dismissed the overexposure concern on Larry King Live earlier this week, noting that in this time of economic crisis, Americans expect and need a president who will talk to them and walk them through his thinking.

U.S. News and World Report columnist John Meshak similary echoed Emmanuel’s sentiment:

"Obama may be doing on TV what President Roosevelt did on radio during the Depression of the 1930s. FDR's fireside chats were designed to calm the fears of the public and assure listeners that help was on the way with his New Deal programs. Similarly, Obama may be using his proven ability on TV to assure voters that his stimulus plan and budget will bring the economy back to life."

Even Canada is defending our president's newly minted "media hound" status. Our friendly neighbor to the north's Globe and Mail postulates that Obama simply "has no choice":

"With the opposition this intense on both sides, Mr. Obama clearly believes this is the time to cash in his goodwill cheque with the American public. If he can mobilize voters in support of his budget and economic rescue plan, his administration will be firmly in charge of the agenda. If he fails, the goodwill will evaporate regardless."

But despite all the online chatter surrounding the Obama media blitz, what does the general population think? According to a disputed Zogby poll, the president’s approval rating has dropped this week to 50%, with his disapproval numbers rising to the same level. However, Rasmussen's daily tracking poll shows the president enjoying a 56% approval rating, and Gallup and CBS show a 65% and 64% approval ratings respectively.

No matter what the American public may think and no matter how his ratings may rise and fall, we're sure we will continue to see more of our leader on the small screen.

Especially if UNC manages to take it all the way.
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Post by HotParadox on Fri Mar 27, 2009 3:13 pm

good post b86.
i agree with the canadian writer and believe this best sums up what BO is cleverly up to:
"With the opposition this intense on both sides, Mr. Obama clearly believes this is the time to cash in his goodwill cheque with the American public. If he can mobilize voters in support of his budget and economic rescue plan, his administration will be firmly in charge of the agenda. If he fails, the goodwill will evaporate regardless."


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Post by box86rowh on Fri Mar 27, 2009 3:35 pm

With his approval ratings falling, lets see if the media tires of him as well....i tend to doubt it though.
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Post by CarolinaHound on Fri Mar 27, 2009 4:01 pm

Until the public opens their eyes to BO's FU's and stop watching the msm because of their love-fest with BO, the msm will not change anything.

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Post by HotParadox on Fri Mar 27, 2009 4:53 pm

i don't know if you guys have noticed, but cnn is not high-fiving him at the drop of a hat any longer. these past 2 weeks, especially, they are actually openly questioning his actions and some of their words have been harsh. look at chris matthews, for instance-not on cnn, but still. he's fed up with him. this, from a guy who said he would support him under any circumstances and do anything to make this administration work. the honeymoon is, apparently, drawing to a close.

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Post by Old Timer on Fri Mar 27, 2009 8:33 pm

Well with the honeymoon over, how soon scan we file for divorce.

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Post by Susan aka CV on Fri Mar 27, 2009 11:18 pm

God i HOPE obama's exposure has reached it's limit!! i know i'm sick of seein' him every freakin' day. he needs to shut up already.... geez Rolling Eyes

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Post by Frankg on Sat Mar 28, 2009 8:52 am

I just saw my first anti-Obama bumper sticker on my way to work today


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Post by HotParadox on Sat Mar 28, 2009 9:06 am

Frankg wrote:I just saw my first anti-Obama bumper sticker on my way to work today


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no sir. haha, that didn't take long. Very Happy

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Post by HotParadox on Sat Mar 28, 2009 9:23 am

i did a google. they've got tons of them.

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Post by luciano on Sat Mar 28, 2009 10:46 am

Im still behind him 100%, I dont buy into the GOP smear campaign going on, Socialist, commie, etc, etc, ad nauseum. He is doing a good job in my opinion considering what he was left with(i.e. inherited) from the worst president in United States history. I need to get some more lefties on this forum to balance out you guys, the garbage you guys post everyday is getting to be unreal(this is luciano talking not admin). Whatever Rush and the rest of the cronies feed the press, you guys follow 100%. No wonder this country is in the mess it is now, half of you supported Bush in the same manner.

I dont know if Obama's attempts to fix the economy are gonna work, but I have much more confidence that he knows what he is doing more than Georgie did or basically whoever the GOP could throw at him. The GOP has no message, no vision, their only goal is to smear Obama, never giving his policies a chance.

It's discouraging to see most of you are Republicans first and American second. You have no clue if anything he has done is gonna work, yet everybody is all of a sudden an economic expert and Obama is a "socialist", a "commie", or the next evil dictator of the world. It's laughable watching the exercise you folks go through everyday to smear the man, before anything is given a chance to work. Truthfully, I think his programs are gonna work and this un-patriotic manner you folks and the rest of the GOP smear people are spreading, is gonna backfire when he cuts the deficit in half like he said it would. I think he deserves at least a "wait and see" approach from the GOP sheep after the last 8 years and their disastrous policies. Do not forget this is a GOP problem, you cant blame anything on Obama yet. He's bringing change, just like he said he would. A 180 turn from whatever Bush's policies were is what is needed almost anywhere you look in government.

62%, 3 Fridays in a row folks. Im not the only one, you folks are on the wrong side, showing your true colors as usual, god I seriously hate party politics, democrat or republican, no one cares about the US anymore, its more about seeing your party get it's agenda. Really, it is sad........

http://content.usatoday.com/communities/theoval/post/2009/03/64725891/1

Obamamania is alive and well.

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Post by luciano on Sat Mar 28, 2009 10:51 am

Reagan, Bush= failing economy

Clinton= growth, by the time he left office we had a surplus. I could get a loan.........

Bush= took care of that surplus, destroyed our economy, fear-mongerer.

Obama=?

See the trend there? I think he will be closer to Clinton

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Post by Peregrine(Endangered) on Sat Mar 28, 2009 11:17 am

I hate the two party system...its always politics...no matter who is elected president, the opposite party will always bash the president...Obama has been in office less than 4 months and we need to give him a chance to do it his way and see how it floats...he promised change but how many of us like change in our lives???
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Post by Frankg on Sat Mar 28, 2009 2:21 pm

Luciano wrote
Bush= took care of that surplus, destroyed our economy, fear-mongerer

No, 9/11 took care of that surplus by driving all the airlines and thousands of other related business to verge of bankruptcy, President George W Bush brought this economy back to where it was within a very short time period.

And it was President Bush who destroyed our enemies not the economy , we haven't been attacked since.

Barack Hussein Obama still has to earn my support and so far he's not doing it , he want's the banks to fail so that he can nationalize them, and he's giving the same hands off approach to terrorism.

He has directed his speech writers to replace the term "war on terror" with "
overseas contingecy plans", likewise with the term "terrorist attack" , its now called "man-caused disaster".

All Obama cares about is power.
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Post by Old Timer on Sat Mar 28, 2009 2:39 pm

Frankg wrote:
Luciano wrote
Bush= took care of that surplus, destroyed our economy, fear-mongerer

No, 9/11 took care of that surplus by driving all the airlines and thousands of other related business to verge of bankruptcy, President George W Bush brought this economy back to where it was within a very short time period.

And it was President Bush who destroyed our enemies not the economy , we haven't been attacked since.

Barack Hussein Obama still has to earn my support and so far he's not doing it , he want's the banks to fail so that he can nationalize them, and he's giving the same hands off approach to terrorism.

He has directed his speech writers to replace the term "war on terror" with "
overseas contingecy plans", likewise with the term "terrorist attack" , its now called "man-caused disaster".

All Obama cares about is power.

Like I have always said. I do not belong to any political party. I vote for the person not the party. I have never belonged to any gang in my life and I am not going to start now. I still do not believe that obama should be in office. There are still just to many unanswered factors that need to be explained that have not to my satisfaction. His political past is to checkered with to many of the wrong things.


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Post by Susan aka CV on Sat Mar 28, 2009 2:40 pm

luciano wrote:Im still behind him 100%, I dont buy into the GOP smear campaign going on, Socialist, commie, etc, etc, ad nauseum. He is doing a good job in my opinion considering what he was left with(i.e. inherited) from the worst president in United States history. I need to get some more lefties on this forum to balance out you guys, the garbage you guys post everyday is getting to be unreal(this is luciano talking not admin). Whatever Rush and the rest of the cronies feed the press, you guys follow 100%. No wonder this country is in the mess it is now, half of you supported Bush in the same manner.

I dont know if Obama's attempts to fix the economy are gonna work, but I have much more confidence that he knows what he is doing more than Georgie did or basically whoever the GOP could throw at him. The GOP has no message, no vision, their only goal is to smear Obama, never giving his policies a chance.

It's discouraging to see most of you are Republicans first and American second. You have no clue if anything he has done is gonna work, yet everybody is all of a sudden an economic expert and Obama is a "socialist", a "commie", or the next evil dictator of the world. It's laughable watching the exercise you folks go through everyday to smear the man, before anything is given a chance to work. Truthfully, I think his programs are gonna work and this un-patriotic manner you folks and the rest of the GOP smear people are spreading, is gonna backfire when he cuts the deficit in half like he said it would. I think he deserves at least a "wait and see" approach from the GOP sheep after the last 8 years and their disastrous policies. Do not forget this is a GOP problem, you cant blame anything on Obama yet. He's bringing change, just like he said he would. A 180 turn from whatever Bush's policies were is what is needed almost anywhere you look in government.

62%, 3 Fridays in a row folks. Im not the only one, you folks are on the wrong side, showing your true colors as usual, god I seriously hate party politics, democrat or republican, no one cares about the US anymore, its more about seeing your party get it's agenda. Really, it is sad........

http://content.usatoday.com/communities/theoval/post/2009/03/64725891/1

Obamamania is alive and well.
imo, too many democrats are wearing the same blinders with obama that numerous republicans wore with bush.

bush was given the 'benefit of doubt', and look where that got us.

for me, it's better to be skepital from the onset = pleasantly surprised if/when obama succeeds...
than to be
totally devoted to him = duped if/when he fails

you apparently prefer to roll the dice on the latter of the two - great! that's your choice.

but this country has been there - done that - so i say no thanks.

and for the record luciana - i loved bill clinton (still do!). in my 32 years of voting eligibility, obama is the first democratic presidential candidate i didn't vote for - and it wasn't something i decided overnight.

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and btw --- obama doesn't DESERVE anything from me - he will get what he EARNS - and so far he's not impressing me one bit. he's turning out to be the guy i knew i didn't want to vote for.

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Post by Susan aka CV on Sat Mar 28, 2009 2:52 pm

Old Timer wrote:
Frankg wrote:
Luciano wrote
Bush= took care of that surplus, destroyed our economy, fear-mongerer

No, 9/11 took care of that surplus by driving all the airlines and thousands of other related business to verge of bankruptcy, President George W Bush brought this economy back to where it was within a very short time period.

And it was President Bush who destroyed our enemies not the economy , we haven't been attacked since.

Barack Hussein Obama still has to earn my support and so far he's not doing it , he want's the banks to fail so that he can nationalize them, and he's giving the same hands off approach to terrorism.

He has directed his speech writers to replace the term "war on terror" with "
overseas contingecy plans", likewise with the term "terrorist attack" , its now called "man-caused disaster".

All Obama cares about is power.

Like I have always said. I do not belong to any political party. I vote for the person not the party. I have never belonged to any gang in my life and I am not going to start now. I still do not believe that obama should be in office. There are still just to many unanswered factors that need to be explained that have not to my satisfaction. His political past is to checkered with to many of the wrong things.
you're suppose to just ignore all those unanswered factors, ot and just go with the flow...

anything less than that gets you classified as unpatriotic - gee... where have we heard THAT before?? Rolling Eyes

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Post by luciano on Sat Mar 28, 2009 3:15 pm

No, 9/11 took care of that surplus by driving all the airlines and thousands of other related business to verge of bankruptcy, President George W Bush brought this economy back to where it was within a very short time period.

What???

And it was President Bush who destroyed our enemies not the economy , we haven't been attacked since.


This is the most delusional statement all Bush supporters keep spouting off, it's all they have and basically it means nothing. Im supposed to pat him on the back for preventing these "attacks"? What attacks Frank? What credible threat on US soil was prevented by American intelligence? And isnt that what he is supposed to do? I have said many times I dont really blame Bush for 9/11, but by your statement you must blame Bush for 9/11 right Frank? The way Bush responded contributed to why our economy is in the shitter. Bush made government bigger(Dept. of Homeland Security), took away our civil liberties(wiretapping American citizens), do I need to go on? So Obama is the socialist future dictator, eh.........? What sort of creature would you classify the tool that just left the White House Frank?

Barack Hussein Obama still has to earn my support and so far he's not doing it , he want's the banks to fail so that he can nationalize them, and he's giving the same hands off approach to terrorism.


This is why I hate party politics, people say shit like this^^. Really Frank? A US President has to earn your support? Shouldnt it be the other way around?

He has directed his speech writers to replace the term "war on terror" with "
overseas contingecy plans", likewise with the term "terrorist attack" , its now called "man-caused disaster"

So what?? What difference does it make? Anyway, I think this is a good move, like I said 180 degrees from whatever Bush did and I think we will be on our way back to being a respected nation again. Instead of the trailer park trash of the Western Hemisphere.

All Obama cares about is power.

Lol..........oh the irony.

Frank, dont take this wrong way, well there is only one to take it, I think you are delusional..

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Post by Susan aka CV on Sat Mar 28, 2009 3:17 pm

HotParadox wrote:i did a google. they've got tons of them.
this one says it all:


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Post by luciano on Sat Mar 28, 2009 3:54 pm

And it was President Bush who destroyed our enemies

He might of destroyed his enemies he created but he failed miserably in destroying our enemes. The Taliban has been gaining strength for the last 4 years, OBL still loose, Ayman Al-Zawahiri still loose, yep Mullah Omar too. So this goes back to you being either delusional, or you just gobble up every piece of garbage that comes out of the GOP machine that is still trying to create some kind of legacy for George Walker Bush. This man let OUR enemies run free for 7 years straight, while he killed a bunch of folks in Iraq after lying to the American people about why and how we would go in there. Barack Hussein Obama is the one actually attempting to take the fight to OUR enemies, not his own made up enemies. The people of Iraq, Saddam Hussein and the rest of that clan of shitheads were not my enemy nor the American people's enemy.

Al-Qaeda is OUR enemy Frank and all George Bush did with them after 2003 is help boost their membership, and let them roam free. Of course the Bush intelligence people told the press that Al-Qaeda is severely "cut-off from each other and cant plan attacks", "OBL is most likely holed up in a cave somewhere in the mountains of Afghanistan and Pakistan", "OBL has a dialysis machine in his cave......" so Im sure you believe all them soundbytes that were spoon fed to us for the last 6 years since we basically abandoned our strong offensive Afghanistan to go on Bush's personal criminal enterprise in Iraq. Dont worry Frankie, Barrack will clean up Georgie's mess the best he can and Im sure you will find a way to shit on him for it, lol.

We all know how credible Bush's intelligence officials were right? For all the hell they know, OBL, his doctor, and the blind Mullah Omar are all hanging out in California surfboarding.....f$#@ing clowns.

George Bush was an embarrasment to this great nation of ours and everyday made the men and women who wear our uniform look bad. I can't take anyone that staunchly supported this man for all 8 years seriously. You got bad judgement in my opinion by proxy.

Heres the way I see it:

If you voted for him in 2000: You are an idiot, but I'll give you a pass

If you voted for him in 2000 and 2004: You need to be incarcerated in the nearest mental facility immediately!! Or you just might actually be Al-qaeda Very Happy

If you voted for him in 2004 only: I just cant believe there are people that would of done this.

Give it some time Frank, I think the GOP is gonna have to eat some crow before this is all said and done. The black man is gonna rescue this country, lol. He gets things done. Obamamania Frank, haha, jump on board.

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Post by Grim17 on Sat Mar 28, 2009 4:09 pm

luciano wrote:Im still behind him 100%, I dont buy into the GOP smear campaign going on, Socialist, commie, etc, etc, ad nauseum.

Smear campaign?

Sure, they are calling his policies "socialist", but that's because they are pal. Nationalized health care, government taking control of the banking industry, doing away with educational choice and forcing children to go to public schools, taxing the wealthy and giving non-taxpayers tax refunds, etc... etc... If you can't see that, than you are blind.

And no credible conservative is calling Obama a "commie", but don't worry about the truth luciano old pal.


He is doing a good job in my opinion considering what he was left with(i.e. inherited) from the worst president in United States history.


How long are you and the other blind followers of the Messiah going to continue to blame Bush for the spending Obama is doing? Cheap ass excuses... You've got a ton of em.

I need to get some more lefties on this forum to balance out you guys, the garbage you guys post everyday is getting to be unreal(this is luciano talking not admin). Whatever Rush and the rest of the cronies feed the press, you guys follow 100%.


Yes, please do get more lefties on this forum... I need some target practice. There's nothing I like more, than ripping idiot liberals to shreds.

As for the things we post, they happen to be based of history and facts. Much of the criticism of Obama, is the fact he is single handedly bankrupting this country. Even his own Congressional Budget Office has stated that he is full of shit. But again, don't let the facts change your worshiping habits.

All hail the Messiah


No wonder this country is in the mess it is now, half of you supported Bush in the same manner.

I worshiped nobody. But I understand that Bush must be mentioned in every argument, just as the all mighty Obama and his administration do every time one of them opens his fucking pie hole, and blows smoke up the asses of people just like you.

I don't know if Obama's attempts to fix the economy are gonna work, but I have much more confidence that he knows what he is doing more than Georgie did or basically whoever the GOP could throw at him.

Ahhh... Another Bush reference. Good boy.

Now, what do you base your belief that Obama knows wtf he's doing pal? Is it because of his religious beliefs? "God Damn America!" Or because of his financial associates "Rezco the felon". Or because of his legal experience "Lawyer and trainer for ACORN" Or because of his business associates "Ayers the domestic terrorists" Or is it because of his mentors "Anti-American communist from Hawaii" Or because of his political judgment "the surge will fail" Or because of his judgment of people for his cabinet "4 tax cheats and a racist" Or is it because his words melt your little ol' heart like butter on a hot plate?


The GOP has no message, no vision, their only goal is to smear Obama, never giving his policies a chance.


BULLSHIT!

Just because you are too mesmerized by the all mighty one to look, doesn't mean the republicans haven't put forth any ideas. They have a much more fiscally responsible plan that involves cutting spending, not a foolish plan to spend money we don't have to satisfy some government controlled socialist agenda, or cap and trade plan that will cost Americans more money than any recession ever could have.

It doesn't take a rocket scientist to understand that when you are broke, you can't keep spending.

It's discouraging to see most of you are Republicans first and American second.


With all due respect... Kiss my ass. This has nothing to do with party affiliation. Even a 50 IQ moron can see that what the Messiah is doing can only end in disaster. The only question is, will it crash now, in 8 or 10 years, or both.

WAKE UP!


You have no clue if anything he has done is gonna work, yet everybody is all of a sudden an economic expert...


I'm no economist, but I listen to what economists have to say, and what most are saying ain't good.


It's laughable watching the exercise you folks go through everyday to smear the man, before anything is given a chance to work.

What's laughable, is people like you who complained for 8 years about the Bush deficit, and claimed it was going to destroy America... Yet Obama has run it up 4 or 5 times higher in just 2 short months, and you not only don't say a fucking word, but you want people like me to have faith that it might work.

Give me a break pal.


Truthfully, I think his programs are gonna work and this un-patriotic manner you folks and the rest of the GOP smear people are spreading, is gonna backfire when he cuts the deficit in half like he said it would.

Talk about bullshit... You are gulping the koolaid by the gallons. His very own CBO has already stated that his numbers are bullshit, and that the deficits he will run, will not be sustainable.

But you go ahead and keep the faith... With the Messiah, all things are possible... Right luciano?


I think he deserves at least a "wait and see" approach from the GOP sheep after the last 8 years and their disastrous policies.


Another Bush refference... good boy.

Do not forget this is a GOP problem, you cant blame anything on Obama yet.

And another... good, good boy

He's bringing change, just like he said he would. A 180 turn from whatever Bush's policies were is what is needed almost anywhere you look in government.

Wow, another one... You are earning your wings today pal. Good boy.

As for the change, you are exactly the problem luciano. Your hate for Bush runs so deep, you have made a deal to support a man who has no experience at running jack shit, just because he offers you change. Again... Good boy.

62%, 3 Fridays in a row folks. I'm not the only one, you folks are on the wrong side, showing your true colors as usual, god I seriously hate party politics, democrat or republican, no one cares about the US anymore, its more about seeing your party get it's agenda. Really, it is sad........

That means that 62% of the public is just as foolish as you are. Because when you poll those same people and ask what direction America should and should not go, you find that most of them are fundamentally against the things Obama believes in. It's like saying I hate all serial killers, but I like Jeffery Dahmer.

Obamamania is alive and well.

Thanks to lap dogs like you that worship a man, and ignore what he does.
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Post by HotParadox on Sat Mar 28, 2009 4:16 pm

luciano wrote:Im still behind him 100%, I dont buy into the GOP smear campaign going on, Socialist, commie, etc, etc, ad nauseum. He is doing a good job in my opinion considering what he was left with(i.e. inherited) from the worst president in United States history. I need to get some more lefties on this forum to balance out you guys, the garbage you guys post everyday is getting to be unreal(this is luciano talking not admin). Whatever Rush and the rest of the cronies feed the press, you guys follow 100%. No wonder this country is in the mess it is now, half of you supported Bush in the same manner.

I dont know if Obama's attempts to fix the economy are gonna work, but I have much more confidence that he knows what he is doing more than Georgie did or basically whoever the GOP could throw at him. The GOP has no message, no vision, their only goal is to smear Obama, never giving his policies a chance.

It's discouraging to see most of you are Republicans first and American second. You have no clue if anything he has done is gonna work, yet everybody is all of a sudden an economic expert and Obama is a "socialist", a "commie", or the next evil dictator of the world. It's laughable watching the exercise you folks go through everyday to smear the man, before anything is given a chance to work. Truthfully, I think his programs are gonna work and this un-patriotic manner you folks and the rest of the GOP smear people are spreading, is gonna backfire when he cuts the deficit in half like he said it would. I think he deserves at least a "wait and see" approach from the GOP sheep after the last 8 years and their disastrous policies. Do not forget this is a GOP problem, you cant blame anything on Obama yet. He's bringing change, just like he said he would. A 180 turn from whatever Bush's policies were is what is needed almost anywhere you look in government.

62%, 3 Fridays in a row folks. Im not the only one, you folks are on the wrong side, showing your true colors as usual, god I seriously hate party politics, democrat or republican, no one cares about the US anymore, its more about seeing your party get it's agenda. Really, it is sad........

http://content.usatoday.com/communities/theoval/post/2009/03/64725891/1

Obamamania is alive and well.
i'm going to go on the record and say that the democrats have gone on smear campaigns with good republican presidents, just as much as repulicans have with good democrat presidents and i don't like that, just as much as you do not.

i'm not a republican, incidentally, nor a democrat and and i don't see things as a party-affiliated citizen but as an american citizen who sees things from eyes that are tired from watching the current picture and a brain that is strained from worry.

if you have a house with a mortgage, as i do and luckily you do not, and a main bread-winner spouse who is in one of the hardest hit industries of this crisis-the building industry-as i do, and once again, you do not; it's maybe easier for you than it is for me, or especially my husband, to feel warm and cozy about the guy. he needs to produce and until then, i respect him, i respect the office, i want him to succeed, but i do NOT have a good feeling. i'm not going to jerk you and the readers around and pretend that i like the direction in which he's headed. i sincerely think that you are affected differently than me and i'm affected differently than the next guy. therefore, we speak on a personal level and if that offends the reader, tough shit.

i'm tired of hearing about bush. yes, he screwed up big, bigtime, but it's time to get over it and concentrate on what BO is doing. adding as much money as he already has to the previously high deficit does not help his case or yours. what he inherited, he inherited, but i see him as taking a giant leap backwards in the disaster of our economy.

you don't want to get too hung up on approval ratings and polls, either. for every one in his favor, there is one not in his favor. these polls are not a reliable gauge of his popularity, but rather an indicator of the mood of the people that the pollsters' target.

take this, just for example, from thursday march 26th-just two days ago. it paints a very different picture than the gallup poll results you pulled up:
http://www.rasmussenreports.com/public_content/business/general_business/voters_divided_as_to_whether_obama_budget_will_help_or_hurt_economy

and here's an excerpt from the above link, dated 3.26.09:

"....Three-out-of-four voters (77%) remain concerned that Obama’s plan will generate too much government spending.

Two-thirds (66%) fear that the president will have to raise taxes on those earning less than $250,000 a year.

Obama continued to champion his budget in a prime-time press conference Tuesday night, but senior Senate Democrats are questioning the level of spending in it, especially in light of reports that its 10-year deficit projections may be off by as much as $2.3 trillion.

Americans consistently believe that tax cuts are good for the economy and that increased government spending tends to hurt the economy.

In the Rasmussen Reports daily Presidential Tracking Poll for Thursday, 35% of voters Strongly Approve of Obama's job performance while 30% Strongly Disapprove."

if you want to go by polls, that last sentence shows far different results than does the gallup poll.

finally, your point that barrack obama is bringing change? change is good, but not just any old change. change is good only if it is for the betterment of our country and thereby, positively impacts its citizens.

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Post by luciano on Sat Mar 28, 2009 4:49 pm

i'm going to go on the record and say that the democrats have gone on smear campaigns with good republican presidents, just as much as repulicans have with good democrat presidents and i don't like that, just as much as you do not.

Thats my point, it shouldnt of surprised me, but it still did, the republicans are doing the exact same garbage the Democrats did, you got to sift through the bullshit and propaganda put into the media.

I guess I shouldnt be surprised, but I actually believed the GOP members to be patriots, moral, like they claim to be. Im not old enough to have been interested in politics to remember when the last time the GOP had no kind of authority like they do now. They are just as petty as the Dems were. Its party line first, and if we can do a little goods for America while we are at it, well thats just a bonus, well fuck that and fuck these political parties, I like the way OT called them "gangs". Thats a good description.

Anyway, I just wanted to respond to that real quick, Im gonna run out for a few hours and may respond to the rest when I get back, dont know if I need to, I made my position clear I think. People are playing politics and some people are just dumb and running with opposition propaganda put out by a shock jock and the rest of the clan of misfits. Like describing Obama turning this country into the new USSR, sure he is introducing some extra dough to social programs, Im gonna sit back and see what happens from it before I proclaim him the next Vladimir Lenin. Sensationalizing everything.

I wanted to see 180 degrees from what Bush was doing, Im getting that, Im content for now.

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Post by Grim17 on Sat Mar 28, 2009 5:00 pm

luciano wrote:Anyway, I just wanted to respond to that real quick, Im gonna run out for a few hours and may respond to the rest when I get back, dont know if I need to, I made my position clear I think.

I'm not surprized... That "hit and run" attack post of yours, was a pretty clear indicator that you wouldn't be willing to back up your bullshit.

See ya in a week or two PAL.
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Post by luciano on Sat Mar 28, 2009 5:20 pm

What would you like me to respond to there bud? Same ole shit, read my other posts. What else would you like me to say Grim, point it out for me, I might answer it.

You can also use this as your auto-reply from me if Im not around, just replace your name with Frank's Razz

Frank, dont take this wrong way, well there is only one to take it, I think you are delusional..



Or you could chew on this one a few dozen times:

I can't take anyone that staunchly supported this man for all 8 years seriously. You got bad judgement in my opinion by proxy.

Not much more to say than that, it's futile, you're not budgin, Im not budgin, yadda yadda. Im right and you're wrong Wink

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Post by Grim17 on Sat Mar 28, 2009 5:40 pm

Why don't you put your bullshit to a test... I have one for you, if you are willing to back up your words.

Or you can sling a few more personal insults and slither away, like most liberal worms do.

Your choice.
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Post by luciano on Sat Mar 28, 2009 10:02 pm

Or you can sling a few more personal insults and slither away, like most liberal worms do.



I think I'll do just that. I see you have nothing constructive to add, no solutions just like most "conservatives". Spent 8 years destroying the country, then all up in arms because you dont like the way the new President is spending cash at home instead of Iraq.


*slithers away*



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Post by Grim17 on Sat Mar 28, 2009 10:17 pm

luciano wrote:
Or you can sling a few more personal insults and slither away, like most liberal worms do.



I think I'll do just that. I see you have nothing constructive to add, no solutions just like most "conservatives". Spent 8 years destroying the country, then all up in arms because you dont like the way the new President is spending cash at home instead of Iraq.


*slithers away*



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Too chicken shit to put your beliefs to a test, huh pal?

I thought you had more integrity than that, but I guess you are nothing more than a "hit & run" liberal that makes shit up as he goes... Too bad.
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Post by luciano on Sat Mar 28, 2009 10:23 pm

Grim, you are something else, I read your post where you replied to me 5 times now and I still dont see where and what Im supposed to reply to. So what are you going on about Grim? You aint too smart are ya?

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Post by Theophilus on Sat Mar 28, 2009 10:57 pm

As a truck driver, I have noticed that freight levels have picked up. I am moving more stuff. That is good. Though I am concerned about the spending. That being said the republicans spent like crazy when they were in power. Sure not at level we are seeing today, but they opened the door to it. They didn't stand against spending insane amounts of money when they were in power. They didn't do anything to raise interest rates to slow borrowing. They opened the door to predatory lending. Also they passed the bankruptcy bill, which made it more difficult for the average person to declare bankruptcy.

Bankruptcy was always meant as a hedge against predatory lending. The change it that law only made matters worse.

So ask yourself. Why did the democrats gain control?

The reason is the American people have lost faith in the republican party. The republican party failed this country big time.

So what I would like to know what is your solution to the economic crisis that we face?

Don't bore me with talking points.

What do you feel can solve this crisis we as Americans find ourselves in?

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Post by Grim17 on Sat Mar 28, 2009 11:26 pm

luciano wrote:Grim, you are something else, I read your post where you replied to me 5 times now and I still dont see where and what Im supposed to reply to. So what are you going on about Grim?


I said:

Why don't you put your bullshit to a test... I have one for you, if you are willing to back up your words.

Although I failed to put a question mark at the end of that statement, I still believe it was pretty clear. I have a challenge for you, but I'm not wasting my time if you refuse to back up your beliefs.

So, are you game or not?

Or, is blaming Bush and taking personal shots at me all you're good for?
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Post by HotParadox on Sun Mar 29, 2009 10:21 am

luciano wrote:
i'm going to go on the record and say that the democrats have gone on smear campaigns with good republican presidents, just as much as repulicans have with good democrat presidents and i don't like that, just as much as you do not.

Thats my point, it shouldnt of surprised me, but it still did, the republicans are doing the exact same garbage the Democrats did, you got to sift through the bullshit and propaganda put into the media.

I guess I shouldnt be surprised, but I actually believed the GOP members to be patriots, moral, like they claim to be. Im not old enough to have been interested in politics to remember when the last time the GOP had no kind of authority like they do now. They are just as petty as the Dems were. Its party line first, and if we can do a little goods for America while we are at it, well thats just a bonus, well fuck that and fuck these political parties, I like the way OT called them "gangs". Thats a good description.

Anyway, I just wanted to respond to that real quick, Im gonna run out for a few hours and may respond to the rest when I get back, dont know if I need to, I made my position clear I think. People are playing politics and some people are just dumb and running with opposition propaganda put out by a shock jock and the rest of the clan of misfits. Like describing Obama turning this country into the new USSR, sure he is introducing some extra dough to social programs, Im gonna sit back and see what happens from it before I proclaim him the next Vladimir Lenin. Sensationalizing everything.

I wanted to see 180 degrees from what Bush was doing, Im getting that, Im content for now.
see, here's the problem i'm having today: your initial post rips republicans a new one for being partisan and you claim to hate partisan politics. your post was extremely partisan! i'm not saying there's anything necessarily wrong with that, but you have to recognize that you are what you claim to hate. just on the other side. so, to me, to get worked up over the other side being partisan becomes a moot point.

your comment below is not only partisan but, sadly, race-oriented and hysteria driven:

Luciano wrote:Give it some time Frank, I think the GOP is gonna have to eat some crow before this is all said and done. The black man is gonna rescue this country, lol. He gets things done. Obamamania Frank, haha, jump on board.

*the gop is basically out of the picture. the dems are running the show so, really, get over it.
*he's black. that ain't gonna save jack shit. enough said. get over it.
*obamamania is a disturbing Emotional Condition and, really, if people would think logically instead of emotionally about barack obama, it would serve them well. this is a time in history to think cleary, non-partisanly, and without the silly manic behavior AKA obamamania. get over it.

try to remember that in the end, although they fight like cats and dogs, there are politicians on both sides who ultimately think about america first and their party second. a good example is in the excerpt i previously quoted:
"Obama continued to champion his budget in a prime-time press conference Tuesday night, but senior Senate Democrats are questioning the level of spending in it, especially in light of reports that its 10-year deficit projections may be off by as much as $2.3 trillion."
http://www.rasmussenreports.com/public_content/business/general_business/voters_divided_as_to_whether_obama_budget_will_help_or_hurt_economy

that's right. senior senate democrats are asking questions and are worried. that's the beauty of our system: concerned same-party-politicians are allowed to question his agenda and are publicly doing so. they are clearly thinking with non-partisan, non-obamamaniac brains. isn't it only wise for all of us to follow suit and wake up and smell the coffee, too?

one final thought. your point about bush creating this financial mess is overstated. bush created what he created and now obama is trumping bush bigtime, as many democrat senior senators are well aware. now is the time for Team Obama to "change" that, as his campaign said ad nauseum, not to compound it and obscenely add to it as they have in 60 short days.

again, i hope the guy succeeds in moving our country forward, as long as that move does not include changing our form of government in the process because, ultimately, that change would prove to be a colossal failure.

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Post by Susan aka CV on Sun Mar 29, 2009 12:38 pm

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luciano wrote:
i'm going to go on the record and say that the democrats have gone on smear campaigns with good republican presidents, just as much as repulicans have with good democrat presidents and i don't like that, just as much as you do not.

Thats my point, it shouldnt of surprised me, but it still did, the republicans are doing the exact same garbage the Democrats did, you got to sift through the bullshit and propaganda put into the media.

I guess I shouldnt be surprised, but I actually believed the GOP members to be patriots, moral, like they claim to be. Im not old enough to have been interested in politics to remember when the last time the GOP had no kind of authority like they do now. They are just as petty as the Dems were. Its party line first, and if we can do a little goods for America while we are at it, well thats just a bonus, well fuck that and fuck these political parties, I like the way OT called them "gangs". Thats a good description.

Anyway, I just wanted to respond to that real quick, Im gonna run out for a few hours and may respond to the rest when I get back, dont know if I need to, I made my position clear I think. People are playing politics and some people are just dumb and running with opposition propaganda put out by a shock jock and the rest of the clan of misfits. Like describing Obama turning this country into the new USSR, sure he is introducing some extra dough to social programs, Im gonna sit back and see what happens from it before I proclaim him the next Vladimir Lenin. Sensationalizing everything.

I wanted to see 180 degrees from what Bush was doing, Im getting that, Im content for now.
see, here's the problem i'm having today: your initial post rips republicans a new one for being partisan and you claim to hate partisan politics. your post was extremely partisan! i'm not saying there's anything necessarily wrong with that, but you have to recognize that you are what you claim to hate. just on the other side. so, to me, to get worked up over the other side being partisan becomes a moot point.

your comment below is not only partisan but, sadly, race-oriented and hysteria driven:

Luciano wrote:Give it some time Frank, I think the GOP is gonna have to eat some crow before this is all said and done. The black man is gonna rescue this country, lol. He gets things done. Obamamania Frank, haha, jump on board.

*the gop is basically out of the picture. the dems are running the show so, really, get over it.
*he's black. that ain't gonna save jack shit. enough said. get over it.
*obamamania is a disturbing Emotional Condition and, really, if people would think logically instead of emotionally about barack obama, it would serve them well. this is a time in history to think cleary, non-partisanly, and without the silly manic behavior AKA obamamania. get over it.

try to remember that in the end, although they fight like cats and dogs, there are politicians on both sides who ultimately think about america first and their party second. a good example is in the excerpt i previously quoted:
"Obama continued to champion his budget in a prime-time press conference Tuesday night, but senior Senate Democrats are questioning the level of spending in it, especially in light of reports that its 10-year deficit projections may be off by as much as $2.3 trillion."
http://www.rasmussenreports.com/public_content/business/general_business/voters_divided_as_to_whether_obama_budget_will_help_or_hurt_economy

that's right. senior senate democrats are asking questions and are worried. that's the beauty of our system: concerned same-party-politicians are allowed to question his agenda and are publicly doing so. they are clearly thinking with non-partisan, non-obamamaniac brains. isn't it only wise for all of us to follow suit and wake up and smell the coffee, too?

one final thought. your point about bush creating this financial mess is overstated. bush created what he created and now obama is trumping bush bigtime, as many democrat senior senators are well aware. now is the time for Team Obama to "change" that, as his campaign said ad nauseum, not to compound it and obscenely add to it as they have in 60 short days.

again, i hope the guy succeeds in moving our country forward, as long as that move does not include changing our form of government in the process because, ultimately, that change would prove to be a colossal failure.
wow hp... very well said. you need to post on this political forum more often.

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Susan aka CV wrote:
HotParadox wrote:
luciano wrote:
i'm going to go on the record and say that the democrats have gone on smear campaigns with good republican presidents, just as much as repulicans have with good democrat presidents and i don't like that, just as much as you do not.

Thats my point, it shouldnt of surprised me, but it still did, the republicans are doing the exact same garbage the Democrats did, you got to sift through the bullshit and propaganda put into the media.

I guess I shouldnt be surprised, but I actually believed the GOP members to be patriots, moral, like they claim to be. Im not old enough to have been interested in politics to remember when the last time the GOP had no kind of authority like they do now. They are just as petty as the Dems were. Its party line first, and if we can do a little goods for America while we are at it, well thats just a bonus, well fuck that and fuck these political parties, I like the way OT called them "gangs". Thats a good description.

Anyway, I just wanted to respond to that real quick, Im gonna run out for a few hours and may respond to the rest when I get back, dont know if I need to, I made my position clear I think. People are playing politics and some people are just dumb and running with opposition propaganda put out by a shock jock and the rest of the clan of misfits. Like describing Obama turning this country into the new USSR, sure he is introducing some extra dough to social programs, Im gonna sit back and see what happens from it before I proclaim him the next Vladimir Lenin. Sensationalizing everything.

I wanted to see 180 degrees from what Bush was doing, Im getting that, Im content for now.
see, here's the problem i'm having today: your initial post rips republicans a new one for being partisan and you claim to hate partisan politics. your post was extremely partisan! i'm not saying there's anything necessarily wrong with that, but you have to recognize that you are what you claim to hate. just on the other side. so, to me, to get worked up over the other side being partisan becomes a moot point.

your comment below is not only partisan but, sadly, race-oriented and hysteria driven:

Luciano wrote:Give it some time Frank, I think the GOP is gonna have to eat some crow before this is all said and done. The black man is gonna rescue this country, lol. He gets things done. Obamamania Frank, haha, jump on board.

*the gop is basically out of the picture. the dems are running the show so, really, get over it.
*he's black. that ain't gonna save jack shit. enough said. get over it.
*obamamania is a disturbing Emotional Condition and, really, if people would think logically instead of emotionally about barack obama, it would serve them well. this is a time in history to think cleary, non-partisanly, and without the silly manic behavior AKA obamamania. get over it.

try to remember that in the end, although they fight like cats and dogs, there are politicians on both sides who ultimately think about america first and their party second. a good example is in the excerpt i previously quoted:
"Obama continued to champion his budget in a prime-time press conference Tuesday night, but senior Senate Democrats are questioning the level of spending in it, especially in light of reports that its 10-year deficit projections may be off by as much as $2.3 trillion."
http://www.rasmussenreports.com/public_content/business/general_business/voters_divided_as_to_whether_obama_budget_will_help_or_hurt_economy

that's right. senior senate democrats are asking questions and are worried. that's the beauty of our system: concerned same-party-politicians are allowed to question his agenda and are publicly doing so. they are clearly thinking with non-partisan, non-obamamaniac brains. isn't it only wise for all of us to follow suit and wake up and smell the coffee, too?

one final thought. your point about bush creating this financial mess is overstated. bush created what he created and now obama is trumping bush bigtime, as many democrat senior senators are well aware. now is the time for Team Obama to "change" that, as his campaign said ad nauseum, not to compound it and obscenely add to it as they have in 60 short days.

again, i hope the guy succeeds in moving our country forward, as long as that move does not include changing our form of government in the process because, ultimately, that change would prove to be a colossal failure.
wow hp... very well said. you need to post on this political forum more often.

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Yeah WOW!!!!! And not only that I also echo a lot of what you have said. Especially about trying to change our government. That is a guaranteed failure.

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Susan aka CV wrote:wow hp... very well said. you need to post on this political forum more often.

CV
Old Timer wrote:Yeah WOW!!!!! And not only that I also echo a lot of what you have said. Especially about trying to change our government. That is a guaranteed failure.
thank you, but the truth is, i'm not as well-read as many of you to properly debate some of the issues so i refrain until i get caught up. and by then, i've either changed my original views and find myself supporting what i was once against or the debate is over.
i've got to step it up a little so i can intelligently take on more of the issues. study

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Post by HotParadox on Sun Mar 29, 2009 6:37 pm

bumping this up for luciano. bounce

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Re: Has Obamamania reached its limit?

Post by Old Timer on Sun Mar 29, 2009 6:43 pm

HotParadox wrote:
Susan aka CV wrote:wow hp... very well said. you need to post on this political forum more often.

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Old Timer wrote:Yeah WOW!!!!! And not only that I also echo a lot of what you have said. Especially about trying to change our government. That is a guaranteed failure.
thank you, but the truth is, i'm not as well-read as many of you to properly debate some of the issues so i refrain until i get caught up. and by then, i've either changed my original views and find myself supporting what i was once against or the debate is over.
i've got to step it up a little so i can intelligently take on more of the issues. study

I know Iam not qualified to take an active part in these debates here, but I really do enjoy reading them and being able to make an occaisonal remark now and then. I used to take an active part many years ago but gave it up because of all of the BS.

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Post by luciano on Sun Mar 29, 2009 7:00 pm

HotParadox wrote:bumping this up for luciano. bounce

I read it, not much more to say than I think you are completely wrong, cant be partisan if I dont belong to a party. The Bush Administration destroyed this country, what is happening now is Bush's fault, you can play politics and speculate on how terrible Obama is gonna be but that's all it is, speculation. So I wont get over it, I will remind people frequently, and hold people to task that want this country to struggle like when their leader was in there.


bush created what he created and now obama is trumping bush bigtime, as many democrat senior senators are well aware. now is the time for Team Obama to "change" that, as his campaign said ad nauseum, not to compound it and obscenely add to it as they have in 60 short days.

^^ That is just blatantly wrong in my opinion, pure speculation and the definition of partisan bullshit, YOU DONT KNOW what Obama is doing now trumps Bush, you havent seen results yet. Thats what Rush Limbaugh and the rest of them told you. Its opposition propaganda. And I dont care what senior Dems are saying, Im not a democrat.

Now, Bush has a well documented proven track record of being a total moron. I will not get over it and neither should anyone else that loves America.

Im gonna give Obama the same chance I gave Bush. Actually I'll give him more time since I voted for him.

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Post by Grim17 on Sun Mar 29, 2009 7:20 pm

All Bush's fault... Obama doing the right things... People unpatriotic for criticizing Obama... Bush worse president in history...

Naaaa... Nothing partisan there luciano.
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Post by HotParadox on Sun Mar 29, 2009 7:35 pm

HotParadox wrote:bumping this up for luciano. bounce

Luciano wrote:I read it, not much more to say than I think you are completely wrong, cant be partisan if I dont belong to a party. The Bush Administration destroyed this country, what is happening now is Bush's fault, you can play politics and speculate on how terrible Obama is gonna be but that's all it is, speculation. So I wont get over it, I will remind people frequently, and hold people to task that want this country to struggle like when their leader was in there.

bush was not totally responsible for everything. take fannie. i can blame my own state's idiot, dem barney frank for his enormous part in that. the war, we can blame that on bush and many others, including dems, who were initially in favor. i will give you this:once we went in, he should've shit or get off the pot. never mind the money it cost us, but the lives lost by letting it go on so long.
i do recall you saying that you're not a democrat but your views are partisan, btw. you're gonna tell me that you've cut the republicans any slack?

HotParadox wrote:bush created what he created and now obama is trumping bush bigtime, as many democrat senior senators are well aware. now is the time for Team Obama to "change" that, as his campaign said ad nauseum, not to compound it and obscenely add to it as they have in 60 short days.

Luciano wrote:^^ That is just blatantly wrong in my opinion, pure speculation and the definition of partisan bullshit, YOU DONT KNOW what Obama is doing now trumps Bush, you havent seen results yet. Thats what Rush Limbaugh and the rest of them told you. Its opposition propaganda. And I dont care what senior Dems are saying, Im not a democrat.

Now, Bush has a well documented proven track record of being a total moron. I will not get over it and neither should anyone else that loves America.

Im gonna give Obama the same chance I gave Bush. Actually I'll give him more time since I voted for him.
wait. what i have seen so far is bo increasing the deficit by a shitload of money, on my dime. printing money out of thin air. bogus money. any idiot knows that if you are in debt, you don't go more in debt. i'm judging that and he owns it. that's what i've seen so far and that's what bothers me so far. our grandchildren will still be paying this off when i'm six feet under. that's not Rush talk. that's math.

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